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Wednesday, 13 July 2016

Hales Exclusive Brethren Force Women to Sit at the Back of Church

In PBCC meeting halls women are not allowed to speak and are forced to sit at the back-see the rear rows have no microphones.



9 comments:

  1. Nothing particularly new in that. The Jews have done it for ever in their synagogues. So do the Muslims.

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    1. But the PBCC tell us they are a *mainstream Christian* church....



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  2. Ah yes, the foyer. Made specifically to defy fire regulations regarding number of people allowed inside. An area almost as big as the hall itself with a removable partition. PBCC do this on the grounds that God would never allow a fire where his servant is, even though twice as many people might be present. Try spinning that one to the local fire brigade.

    If they want a 'Place of Public Worship' to dodge council taxes, they should abide by safety regulations governing public places. As usual, the deceitful PBCC play it both ways.

    At least if there is a fire, the women stand a better chance of getting out alive.

    Fireman Sam

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    1. Fireman Sam

      On your next annual fire check, look at the foyer ceiling
      Some newer ones have an elevated ceiling. Tiered Staging / temporary scaffolding is then fitted with row of seats on it, so all can get a sight of the heroes on the front row
      There is a walkway aisle around it to the toilets and main doors
      Access onto the staging is via the main aisle towards the main hall

      Direct emergency access to evacuate the building by the main entrance doors is not an option

      This started as having the big sliding doors open and maybe 3 rows on the foyer floor, then progressed to (at a guess) 10 rows plus, on staging all over the foyer and 4 feet up (others may know more accurate figures)

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    2. Than you for that confirmation, made all the more hypocritical by the words of this PBCC owned Fire and Security Solution Company, Hentland.

      'As directly involved in this sector, we have unparalleled experience in providing the level of Fire Safety that satisfies the requirements of the Regulatory Reform Order (2005) and the specific industry standards, such as OFSTED etc.

      The safety and protection of your staff, clients and property is of paramount importance to us and to this end we have made enormous investments in obtaining unrivalled accreditations to ensure that every facet of the current legislative minefield is conscientiously adhered to'.

      http://www.hentland.com/categories/public-sector-amp-education/12/

      Then when BDH turns up, they knowingly and deliberately break every fire regulation in the book, on the grounds that the Lord would never allow a fire to happen where His servant is. Well, I've just seen a very recent picture of BDH cooking burgers on a BBQ, so it has to be the size of the flames that's critical.

      One wonders if hell has been pre-warned about this?

      Fireman Sam

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  3. Just because Muslims and Jews do it does not make it right. Mainstream christian churches do not do this and the Brethren make the claim that they are a mainstream church. Try making a logical argument as to why it is ok how they treat women.

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  4. In 2012 I made contact with men from our local PBCC/Exclusive Brethren assembly to try to arrange to attend one of their midweek meetings.

    I was told that if I attended a meeting I should wear a dress and cover my head. It was explained that I would not be allowed to sit among the congregation, but that I would be given a chaperone who would sit beside me at the back. I was instructed in writing that I wouldn't be permitted to speak.

    I took up the issue of my clothes with Garth Christie in person and explained the Hebrew of Deuteronomy 22:5 - the biblical verse he had used as his reason for telling me to wear a dress. When he understood that I wouldn't be wearing warrior's apparel Garth agreed that I could attend the meeting in my normal clothes. Roger Devenish of our local assembly also told me that the way the women dress in the PBCC/Exclusive Brethren is just Brethren custom and not based on the Bible.

    Were PBCC members Fiona Christie or Joy Devenish to attend a mainstream church they would not be given advice about what to wear or how to behave. They would be made welcome and they'd be free to sit wherever they chose. If they attended a midweek Bible Study (as I had hoped to in Beckenham) they would be entitled to ask questions and contribute to the discussion like anyone else present.

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  5. Jill - this is not an argument for what is right and whether or not it is misogynistic to treat women this way. We all know that this is not the case. My point was that they do it because this is how things were done in Judaism from Old Testament times. I remember Jill when they gave women the right to ask questions and talk in the meetings. It was a debacle in our meeting because two women in particular practically had their own microphones! They were almost taking the meeting! It was hilarious at the time. So they soon reversed that rule. It is not OK how they treat women Jill - they are practically servants - which is one of the many reasons I waked away from them. Any religion that promotes subservience is wrong in this day and age. All I said was - there is nothing 'new' in this revelation. It's been the (wrong) case for generations with the Peebs.

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    1. Maybe it would be helpful if you explained your point clearly in the first place! To me it sounded as if you were saying 'nothing wrong with this - the muslims etc do it too'.
      As for it being new - no of course it isn't for as you say, it has been around for a long time. Even in my day women did not sit on the front row. But there is no reason why it should not be highlighted again and again since they are still treating women as second class citizens

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