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Wednesday, 18 May 2016

The Extreme Cruelty of the Hales Family


Here's an accurate and gut wrenching account of Hales driven cruelty, the likes of which continues to date:

The PBCC. The Masters of Cruel.

Another day in infamy. Another day that keeps reoccurring in my mind courtesy of the Peebs

 

Ask any ex-Peeb who has been treated as so many were,badly, what they think about when they lie there at night and the bad memories that sit in the sub-conscious just waiting to re-emerge are there with all of us, despite the passage of years. 

 

And today is one of those days.  It is an un-Godly hour, still black as pitch outside. But I can stay in my bed no longer. Because today I have had a flashback, so vivid in my mind today, that it could have occurred yesterday. 

 

'It ' happened when I was ten. And I wept bitter tears and desperately tried to talk reason to my parents at the time. But they too were in tears and not buying my reasoning. "Ours is not to reason - but to obey" I think they said. Well something like that. 

 

Apparently, a man in New York had also woken up one day and said "That's it! Today I will make another decree. For I am the Man of God!"

 

Not content with having destroyed thousands of families with his separation edict five years earlier, Jim Taylor was on the warpath again. With more of his cruel and rubbishy reasoning. "Today is the day- I will command them all, to kill all of their animals" he had said.

 

When I was seven, I also remember vividly, a moment that similarly lives with me forever. It was the day I was sat in a bath, covered in mud, as is the case with small active boys intent on adventure,  with my mother washing me. Not a remarkable thing in our household. We were active kids. And Mum had been washing mud off us for over a decade. But this day was different. Today as she removed the silt from my lithe little body, she sobbed. I don't mean wept. I mean sobbed. I had never seen my mother sob. She was a strong woman. But this day,  she sobbed like an inconsolable schoolgirl and the distress of that moment is another that is etched into my mind with a realism that endures the decades. And I thought it was because I had come home again, covered in mud and this was enough to finally tip her over her tipping point. 

 

It was forty odd years later that I realised the real reason for her uncontainable anguish. I did the math and the year was 1959. The year people like my mother were ordered by the same man in New York to dispose of their families if they were not members of the Exclusive Brethren sect. And the day my dear little mother had to say goodbye forever to her parents, brothers and sisters was the saddest day of her life. A day that would have lived with her forever, like the one I am having now. Dealt her, like so many others, by the Master of Cruel. Big Jim Taylor. The so-called Man of God. 

 

My day of grief however was for one of the main things I loved, up until that point in my young life. Spike. My loyal and trusting dog. Who went everywhere with me. Bought for us by our mother. 

 

I remember that day too. I also remember the man who handed down the edict in 1964 from the big man in New York. One Bruce Hales Senior. Along with his brother John, another Master of Cruel. 

 

I remember the time. I remember the meeting. And I remember running to the church toilets to sob at the news I had just heard. "All animals", (and here Hales screwed his face up like he was talking about something utterly disgusting and repugnant) "Pets - are to be disposed of immediately. We reserve our love for God. Not animals."

 

Apparently God was miffed. According to Taylor, there has been some love leakage, due for him, but being given to things like 'Spike'.  And as a result 'Spike,' along with thousands of other animals had to be euthanized, even though he was a happy, healthy little dog. Spike's sin was that he had found the wrong family. Sure they loved him, but his owners were beholden to a greater, and crueller power. 

 

And I haven't mentioned the cats and the budgies either. Because they went the same way too. In cardboard boxes to be disposed of by a lethal injection. An injection of hate, lest they were loved.

 

I remember tugging at my father's sleeve as he packed our pets into boxes to be killed. He was putting holes in the boxes. So they could breathe their last. "Please Dad - I'll keep him in my room. No one will know!" "God sees everything" he saidas he tied up 'Spike's' box with string

 

I was starting to hate this Mister Taylor. He made my mother cry and now he was making me cry. Bitter tears. This Brethren existence was a lesson in continued and compounding grief. 

 

Which got my young mind to thinking. Why did God bother to instruct Noah to save all of the animals, if God in fact hated animals and wanted them all killed? Even today, that question,formulated in the mind of a child, is still devoid of an acceptable answer. "Why" I reasoned, in my case for the animals, and specifically for 'Spike' at the time, " did Jesus share his manger with animals, if he in fact hated them,because they took available love from HIM?" 

 

Of course, as is so often the case with the judiciary, the sentence had been handed down. And it was many a long day before my grief abated enough for me to move on to the next Brethren decree and debacle. In fact, the very fact that I am talking about it now despite the passage of 52 years, is proof that it has affected me for life. Which is why I am up at some ridiculous hour writing this. Attempting to purge myself of the grief that this mad unreasoned sect causes on so many levels and over so many 'issues'. Even little dogs. 

 

The scene at the Veterinary surgery was a sad one. We weren't the only Brethren there. They were coming and going and a bewildered Vet wondered what the hell was going on. None of these animals was sick, but suddenly these strange people wanted them all put down. Some were bundled into cages while more of the deadly cocktail was ordered to do the job. I remember him making a phone call within earshot of the busy waiting room asking for backup from another practitioner. But he was swamped too. With Brethren pets. All taking love away from God. 

 

One wonders today how utterly ridiculous these people really were. I mean, by conjecture, if pets took love away from God, why didn't a wife. Or kids? All objects of love I would have thought. Why didn't they put them down too? But Taylor, and God as well apparently, had decided that pets were the object of a love that was now illegal in the world of the Brethren. Our love was only for God and Mister Taylor. 

 

At the time I was learning to hate the man. And God wasn't my favourite either if I'm honest. He was causing me untold grief. And the strange thing is, that I grieve that day as powerfully as I did in 1964.

 

They are cruel bastards, the Brethren. Their cruelties continue to the current day. We are 'dead to them' too. Sadly for them, they can't just euthanize us as well. But they can decree that we don't exist. Which is what they do.      


              

53 comments:

  1. A very sad personal story...
    However, what are we prepared to give-up in order to gain Christ?
    Pets in general are a hindrance to brethren gathering freely every day and dogs do not belong in the home. Scripture is very clear about it.
    The dogs are without.
    Quite simply, the brethren have shaken-off the things which hinder.
    These include the self-serving pleasures and time consuming persuits of men. Such things leave no time for Christ. The world and it's pleasures are fleeting, but if we invest in Christ, we will be filled and not thirst. Remember those words 'Egypt is Ruined'

    So the Lord has moved-on. He says 'Come follpw me' We cannot blame the brethren for those changes for it is the Lord who leads us away from the world. In fact, it is so liberating to be free from the world's system.
    The word is hard to those who hanker after Egypt (the world)
    If you want a pet, go and get one, bit don't impose your will on these brethren. Live and let live.

    Contented Christian



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    1. Anonymous18 May 2016 at 10:45 wrote, “. . . dogs do not belong in the home. Scripture is very clear about it. The dogs are without.”

      Not so, Anonymous, scripture is not very clear about it at all. If anything, scripture tends to support the idea that dogs belong in the home. If you read Revelation 22: 15 in its context, you will see that “dogs” is a metaphor for degraded humans. Also see Mark 7:28 or Matthew 15:27 “for even the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.”

      One of the main thrusts of the ministry of Jesus and Paul was to extend the circle of love to encompass more than our own race, our own sect, our own religion, our own social class. Dogs teach us that it is possible to extend the circle of love even beyond our own species. They love us even more than we love them. They are an example to us.

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    2. Contented Christian !! Oh my word. This sect has destroyed so many lives . Not what God had planned

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    3. Dear Anon 18 May 2016 at 10:45

      You Say – “However, what are we prepared to give-up in order to gain Christ?”

      The Bible (Gods Word) instructs, that in order to gain Christ we must first give up sin, then trust and put our faith in the shed blood of Christ. It says nothing about getting rid of animals, or pets, in order to gain Christ !

      Why would Christ require that anyway, when it is God Himself who ‘created’ every living thing and what God created is not a sin !, I suggest you read your Bible rather than the nonsense peddled by your leaders

      You Say – “Remember those words 'Egypt is Ruined'”

      Why then do the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church aka Exclusive Brethren chase after the worlds pleasures ? It is you the PBCC EB who have suddenly changed your so called ‘divine standard’ to lift the ban on computers, internet, fax machines, mobile telephones, etc, to pursue the worldy pleasures of money, business and commerce, because your leaders hanker after Egypt

      You say “So the Lord has moved-on”

      No my friend, the Lord does ‘Not’ move on to the point where he contradicts his written Word the Bible, because God can not contradict himself and God is not a liar. It is the PBCC EB who have moved away from Christ and His written word.

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    4. Contented Christian

      I also don't like dogs very much

      Scripture is very clear about marriage

      What do you say about that?

      Thomas

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    5. Dear Plymouth Brethren Christian Church aka Exclusive Brethren members (supporters)

      You might find the following enlightening regarding pets and animals

      Question: "What does the Bible say about pets?"

      Answer: In Western society, pets have never been more popular. Many homes are graced with the presence of a cat or a dog—or a hamster, turtle, goldfish, chinchilla, newt, parakeet, or gecko. Everything from albino pythons to hissing cockroaches are caged and kept as pets. The Bible does not address the issue of keeping pets, nor does it contain an example of a pet owner. But we can still draw some conclusions based on what the Bible says on other topics.

      Psalm 147:9 tells us that God is concerned for all His creation, including the animals He created: “He provides food for the cattle and for the young ravens when they call.” In Psalm 104:21, we see that “the lions roar for their prey and seek their food from God”; it is implied that God feeds them. Also, in Luke 12:6 Jesus says, “Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God.”

      If God cares for the animals, so should we. In fact, it is God’s care for animals that most fully explains our desire to have pets. God created mankind in His image (Genesis 1:27), and we have inherited the part of God’s nature that cares for the animals. At the very beginning, God blessed the people He had made and commanded them, “Fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground” (Genesis 1:28).

      When a child maintains an aquarium, for example, he or she is reflecting the nature of God, to a certain extent. An aquarium is creation in microcosm. The child creates the environment for the fish to live in, maintains the habitat, and feeds and cares for the creatures in the tank. The fish depend fully on the child to meet their needs, much like all of creation depends on God. Keeping a pet, then, is a weighty responsibility—it is modeling the Creator and exercising dominion over a portion of creation.

      Many parents introduce a pet into their home to teach their children responsibility and other positive character qualities. Such life lessons are definitely biblical. Pets also provide companionship, amusement, and unconditional love. It’s why pets are taken to hospitals and nursing homes to interact with people in need. Any animal that helps us show love more freely is a good thing.

      Those who have pets should love them, provide for them, and care for their needs. Loving an animal is not wrong, as long as we love people and Christ more. The care we show an animal entrusted to us is a gauge of personal integrity: “A righteous man cares for the needs of his animal” (Proverbs 12:10).

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    6. 'invest in Christ' that's a new one. Where do I get the shares? Do all the profits go to charity and gain 25% Gift Aid as per PBCC norm?

      Christ Ltd.......office refurbishment, envelopes or joinery?

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  2. Ok -So answer my question. Why did God instruct Noah to save all of the animals in the face of impending doom - if animals are not part of life? We did not invent animals - God made them. Even dogs were God's idea in his wonderful creation.So who are the Brethren to pick and choose what you can have and cannot? I wonder also - since you post the question - what are we prepared to give up in order to gain Christ? What about booze. And the love of money for starters. And the creation of big global businesses. But I suppose those things don't count. These things 'hinder' as well you know.

    Contented unhindered person.

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    1. Anon 11:34
      Happy to answer your question, but in fact, there is no genuine question to be asked is there?
      God saved the animals to preserve his creation and also to serve mankind with milk, fur and meat etc.
      That does not make them pets and so keeping animals where they belong makes complete sense.
      Your opinions or questions don't matter!

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    2. Interesting final comment Anonymous 19 May at 19.40.
      If you ever leave the stifling prison run by the Exclusive Brethren you will find that your opinions and questions are valued. Even God say "Come let us reason together" so He will listen to our point of view.
      Do you realise how arrogant it is to say to anyone that their opinion and questions don't matter? Are you controlled to such an extent that you unquestioningly accept what you are told by the EB leaders? Where in the bible does God forbid you to have a pet? Millions of Christians have pet dogs and cats. If you told them it was wrong they would probably think you were bonkers.

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    3. Gal 08:30 Nobody has ever objected to you or worldly Christians having a pet and there are likely to be several reasons for this which don't need much brain power, even from you I might add.
      1: Peebs meet 7 days a week and numerous times on a Sunday. 2: Their affections are focused on Christ. 3: Animals belong outside. 4: Numerous kids and even adults have been injured or even killed by dogs.

      Now if you don't have a Pooch or a pussy cat, try the RSPCA or Battersea dogs home. They might even offer you a smelly and stifling kennel for the night. Now run along.

      Good luck

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    4. Anon 20th May 16:35

      You say –
      “Nobody has ever objected to you or worldly Christians having…”

      Please explain what a “worldly Christian” is ?

      You say –
      “Their affections are focused on Christ.”

      The PBCC aka EB don’t follow Christ, or focus on Him, nor do they follow His written Word which is the Bible. The doctrines followed by the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church aka Exclusive Brethren are not found in Gods Word the Bible, so clearly the focus is not on Christ !

      The focus is on the teachings of “these great men” such as James Taylor and Bruce Hales, whose nonsense is not found in the Bible, such as –

      -Separation from all other Christians and Christian Churches
      -Not allowed to worship, fellowship, or sit at communion with any other Christians
      -Not allowed to eat or drink with any other Christians
      -Withdraw from those Christians who leave the sect
      -Divide households if a person leaves, even if that person is a Christian
      -Allow babes in arms to take communion
      -Teach that all other Christians are iniquitous
      -Teach that only the PBCC EB has the truth
      -Teach that the Lord is only free to come to the PBCC EB
      Etc etc

      (O and for information the above list is just as practiced by other cults such as Jehovah’s Witnesses – did you know that ?)

      You say –
      “Animals belong outside”

      Here are some Bible verses which might enlighten you –

      1 Samuel 28:24 Now the woman had a fattened calf in the house, and she quickly killed it, and she took flour and kneaded it and baked unleavened bread of it,

      2 Samuel 12:3 But the poor man had nothing but one little ewe lamb, which he had bought. And he brought it up, and it grew up with him and with his children. It used to eat of his morsel and drink from his cup and lie in his arms, and it was like a daughter to him.

      7 The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.” 5 And Noah did all that the Lord commanded him.

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    5. If the PBCC go by the bible so much, why is dancing banned in Focus Learning Schools? Numerous references in the Canon of Scripture to dancing, but they still don't allow it. So when they say they go by the bible, they are lying.......again.

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    6. Anonymous at 16.35 on 20 May 2016
      Are you saying that there are special rules for the EB that don't apply to anyone else.
      I agree with you that your lifestyle of driving to meetings 7 days a week and numerous times on a Sunday leaves little time for time for anything else. Oh sorry, based on my observation of some of your EB friends leaving supermarkets you must have considerable time for the consumption of alcohol.
      I have however considerable misgivings as to your assertion that the EBs affections are focused on Christ. Based upon my cursory examination of some of your printed "ministry"if you had said BDH or "these great men" I might have agreed with you.
      The woman in Matthew 15.27 who spoke of the dogs by their master's table was commended by Jesus for her great faith.
      Obviously she would not be welcome by the EB.
      I would also recommend you read Brother Rev's comments above in his useful post at 17.35 today.
      PS With such a busy lifestyle it is remarkable you find the time to post on this blog. However I am glad to hear from you at any time.

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    7. I say, 24/7 Peeby fellow at 16.35, you would really find it much healthier to go out for a walk in the freeh air, with your dog, than driving around going from meeting to meeting then going home to eat dead creatures of God, washed down with whisky.

      I can't answer for Christ, of course, unlike the Peebs, but my gut feeling is He would prefer the fresh air creation and might be embarrassed by the stifling Brethren.

      Polly Ester






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    8. "2: Their affections are focused on Christ."

      Bullshit. No they are NOT. They are focussed on a deluded, fat, dictatorial bastard. Can you imagine Christ travelling around in a bullet-proof car surrounded by bodyguards? The wickedness of that devil BDH is breathtaking.

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    9. Anon 20th May 16:35

      You say –
      “Nobody has ever objected to you or worldly Christians having…”

      Please explain what a “worldly Christian” is ?

      You say –
      “Their affections are focused on Christ.”

      The PBCC aka EB don’t follow Christ, or focus on Him, nor do they follow His written Word which is the Bible. The doctrines followed by the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church aka Exclusive Brethren are not found in Gods Word the Bible, so clearly the focus is not on Christ !

      The focus is on the teachings of “these great men” such as James Taylor and Bruce Hales, whose nonsense is not found in the Bible, such as –

      -Separation from all other Christians and Christian Churches
      -Not allowed to worship, fellowship, or sit at communion with any other Christians
      -Not allowed to eat or drink with any other Christians
      -Withdraw from those Christians who leave the sect
      -Divide households if a person leaves, even if that person is a Christian
      -Allow babes in arms to take communion
      -Teach that all other Christians are iniquitous
      -Teach that only the PBCC EB has the truth
      -Teach that the Lord is only free to come to the PBCC EB
      Etc etc

      These doctrines are 'Not' found in the Gods Word

      (O and for information the above list is just as practiced by other cults such as Jehovah’s Witnesses – did you know that ?)

      You say –
      “Animals belong outside”

      Here are some Bible verses which might enlighten you –

      1 Samuel 28:24 Now the woman had a fattened calf in the house, and she quickly killed it, and she took flour and kneaded it and baked unleavened bread of it,

      2 Samuel 12:3 But the poor man had nothing but one little ewe lamb, which he had bought. And he brought it up, and it grew up with him and with his children. It used to eat of his morsel and drink from his cup and lie in his arms, and it was like a daughter to him.

      7 The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.” 5 And Noah did all that the Lord commanded him

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  3. Dare I say to the anonymous brother above - I would have thought the internet was something that hinders. It is taking valuable time away from you reading Bruce Hales latest ministry or a bible or something. Or attending 'church'. What say you to that charge dear Brother?

    You are up to your armpits in 'Egypt'! Bantering with ex-Peebs like it is some sort of non-contact sport. One upping the exiled. If it is 'so liberating to be free of the world's system' - what on earth are you doing on here?

    I'm not a gambling man but I'll bet you don't have an answer for any of that. That's the trouble with Peebs. They have this mad one sided view of things that simply doesn't add up.

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  4. Indeed Pesky pooches...If UK society cared for old people and children as much as they do for crappy pets, we would be all the better for it. Moreover, Familiy values are visibly declining in the UK. Now that is REALLY SAD.

    Me thinks the PBCC have the right idea.
    No violent and corrupt telly with plastic role models, no porn to damage children, no lies, no expensive holidays, no Ready meals, no drugs, no links with evil people.
    The peebs are an xcellent people who at least protecting their families from the current sickness sweeping the UK society.

    Good old peebs.. you gotta respect em :)

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    1. No lies in the PBCC? Oh really? I proved to priests in High Wycombe that the late Gordon Pollard was a serial liar. No-one took issue with him because they were either employed by him or scared of him. So we left. It came as no surprise to learn that he then began to take 3 Day meetings and became a part of BDH's security guarded, high-speed motorcade on occasions.

      That's where lying gets you in the PBCC, the very top.

      Mark R Elliott

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    2. Not so Anonymous18 May 2016 at 13:25 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/may/14/family-life-best-for-1000-years

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    3. That article that Anonymous refers to at http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/may/14/family-life-best-for-1000-years makes a refreshing change from the utterly false picture of the world that Brethren often try to paint. The golden age of higher moral standards from which we are alleged to have fallen is completely imaginary, as any serious student of social history could tell you. There never was any such golden age. The nearest we have yet come to achieving a golden age of morality is the present day, and we still have some way to go. And the idea that people attain higher moral standards inside the Hales fellowship than outside is even more false than most other Brethren propaganda.

      Brethren should not make sweeping statements about the outside world, because they appear to know very little about it. Many of them unthinkingly swallow what they have been told without question, and a lot of it is utter rubbish.

      If you want a reliable account of changes in human standards of morality over the scale of decades, centuries or millennia, an account based on objective evidence carefully collected and analysed, read Stephen Pinker’s book, The Better Angels of Our Nature.

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    4. Anon 18th May 13:25

      You say -
      “Moreover, Familiy values are visibly declining in the UK. Now that is REALLY SAD.”

      I suggest you look in the mirror. It is the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church aka Excusive Brethren who breakdown family values !

      You ‘withdraw from’ (which means cut off /separate from) family members if they leave your sect to go to a Christian Church, you refuse to eat or drink with family members who leave, you do not allow normal uninterrupted relations with family members who leave, you divide households, divide man and wife, divide aunts, uncles, grandparents, sisters, brothers etc. Relatives have not seen, nor had normal relationships with those family members trapped inside your sect for over 40 years !

      UK society (which you ridicule) does ‘Not’ take part in the breakdown of family values that you and your sect are a part of.

      You say -
      “No violent and corrupt telly with plastic role models”

      You must watch more telly than I do then. I know when to switch off because it has an off switch, does yours not have one ?

      TV is in general is not violent and corrupt, I don’t know what spin and propaganda you are being indoctrinated with, but your sweeping wild statement is not true.

      TV can, if used and viewed properly, be a source of education, information, help, news, history, science and even Christian teaching and worship

      You say –
      “No porn to damage children, no lies, no expensive holidays, no Ready meals, no drugs, no links with evil people. The peebs are an xcellent people who at least protecting their families from the current sickness sweeping the UK society.

      Now you really are spouting pharisaical nonsense.

      “No Lies” – what about James Taylor Junior, your former leader who was an alcoholic womaniser, the PBCC EB lied about that !. What about your current website, its full of lies !. What about the gross lie that PBCC EB members are indoctrinated with that all Christians outside the walls of the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church aka Exclusive Brethren are iniquitous and not fit to eat or drink with, nor fellowship with, nor sit at the Lords Table with !. What about the blatant lies told by your senior leaders to the UK Parliament. What about the lies and fear mongering you spread when trying to prevent someone leaving your sect !

      “No porn to damage children” – You are now allowed internet access as approved by your leader !. What about the harmful, damaging nonsense that the children have to listen to in the meetings – condoning suicide, poison, hanging, shooting, death etc

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    5. Me thinks you protest too much!
      Isolating yourself from the problems means your pure? That's a function of ego, it means you're blind to the entrapping of humanity and highly susceptible to it yourself; ego being the greatest cause of suffering in the world and PBCC up to their eyeballs in it. Looks like you're holding yourself away from creating any sort of solution for the world, so you're insignificant to it's successes. Just a ball and chain that the rest of society has to put up with and holding us back from progress.
      Look at the percentages, you're not immune to human failing. Most of the people in the world are good, and live a contributing and beautiful life, so that makes you the same as most, not better or 'pure'. Put your dreams for humanity into action and be part of humanity's awesome possibilities.

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    6. Enlightening to note that no PBCC members ever stick up for Gordon Pollard! I did recently hear from a current PBCC member that Gordon was 'set-up' by BDH to show his short comings.

      So people in good faith listen to 3 day's worth of bulldust just to teach a guy a lesson?

      What a way to run a (cult) religion.

      Playing with people's heads.

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  5. Indeed, family values,it is a crying shame that the Peebs have wrecked so many families.

    Regarding porn, are you sure a peeb, here and there, isn't accessing his *device*, for this purpose, under the duvet!?

    Regarding lies, the Exclusive Brethren (Plymouth Brethren Christian Church lie on their website of deceit and every time they open their mouths to defend their position (public funding).

    Re Expensive holidays, not exactly de rigueur with every normal person, but I suspect Peeb business folk are finding plenty of excuses to fly UK - Aus - NZ - Germany - France and off-set against tax.

    Regarding drugs, not the domain of the average, normal person; however, most Peebs are hooked on alcohol, some apparently needing a whisky before breakfast and many quite inebriated by the end of *Lord's Day*. Oh, by the way, who does the driving, on these liberating occasions, as the Peebs speed from one mindless assembly to another?

    Illuminating to know that the Peebs are the only home cooks in the land, they should watch their portions, though; no point in putting an unecessary strain on the system and the dear, old NHS.

    Links with evil people? Neither do most normal folk. However, former Exclusive Brethren leaders Taylor Jnr, Symington, Hales and their Hitlerian lackies were not too pleasant. Also, for a tiny, insignificant cult, quite a few Peebs have had a shave with the law and this with some crimes being subject to internal discipline (cough...cough).


    What is the current sickness? Does it have a name? Does Peeb leader Bruce Hales prescribe a cure? Arsenic, rat poison, hanging? After all, The Elect Vessel has mentioned all of these antidotes in his ministerial meanderngs.

    Poor Peebs, you gotta feel sorry; so ignorant, brain washed, deluded, and so obsessed with worldly riches.

    J. Walker

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  6. Contented Christian - I am lost for words at your response. Here we have a man who shares some very personal traumatic memories that haunt him still today - and you show no empathy at all. If you are an example of a christian - then no thanks.
    To whoever wrote this story - you story is not told in vain. I will use it to illustrate the harshness of a sect that claims to be christian. Yours is not the only story I have heard about this cruel behaviour.

    I read your story feeling the pain of that little boy who suffered at least twice. Your story is wonderfully told, very evocative - and I hope it was at least a little therapeutic. I feel very moved by it. Stories told like this are powerful - and they need to be told. Thank you for sharing yours.

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    1. Jill @ 20:42

      You Say – “If you are an example of a christian - then no thanks”

      I am sure you know already, but please don’t make the mistake of thinking genuine Christians behave and follow the same doctrines and rules as the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church aka Exclusive Brethren.

      The PBCC aka EB are nothing to do with Christianity at all, because they ‘Separate from Evil’ from the rest of the Body of Christ (an act which is an insult to God) and ignore, disobey or twist Gods Word the Bible to suit their own sectarian cultish agenda.

      The don’t follow the Bible, they follow the edicts and rules of ‘men’ such as James Taylor and Bruce Hales, who spout nonsense disguised as ‘divine teaching’ that contradicts, ignores, twists, and disobeys Gods Word the Bible. Therefore, their utterances, rules, edicts etc could never be divine teaching as God is not a liar, nor does he contradict his already written Word, the Bible.

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  7. The Exclusive Brethren are no different than the Catholic Church or any other religious organization the leaders live like kings off the money from their brainwashed followers. They hide pedophlia amongst themselves not that the outside world ever hear much because they are as tight as a fishes $&@)(;:.. No member will speak out for fear of retribution. The Exclusive Brethren is just another evil sect, that for some reason have something over the government they don't even vote which is compulsory in Australia. Anyone who stands up and defends this cult has less brain power of a sheep.

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  8. The Peebs have no porn to damage children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??

    Pahlease! I saw my first 'porn' while IN the Peebs. Shown me by one of those who withdrew from me for non- compliance with tightening new rules. I have never felt the need to indulge in it since. And I'll bet now that every Peeb has the internet - they are not looking at such things??

    They have this deluded view that when people leave them (or are thrown out) they immediately descend into a life of depravity. I have never been treated as badly in the world as I was in the Brethren. That's a fact!

    These stupid people recite this strange man-made mantra like parrots. And yet - they indulge as fully in "Egypt' as they like to call it- as any in the world. And someone mentioned TV as the source of great evil - trust me - if you knew the number of Peebs that have it and watch it religiously you would be amazed. I have proof of that locally, from a technician who has installed dozens of TV aerials for them within their roof space.

    As for Hales Global empires - is this not an immersion into - er- Egypt?

    No 'ready meals"?? What crap! I see Peebs every day where I live eating fast food in public places.

    No lying? Like hell you lot don't lie. You cannot even recognise the truth. Start with your totally fictional website.

    And dogs are without? Like hell they are. The Peebs are full of them. Big. Nasty. And barking mad.

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    1. No lies in the Hales EB?, now that takes some beating, as the whole Taylor Hales group is built upon a lie! namely that JT Jr was a pure man.

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  9. Old Man, speaking as a little Boy. I can endorse the accuracy of the things you have written about, having lived through the same trauma. That Taylor was a womanising alcoholic is a Fact, well established by persons close to him. Refused by the pbcc. So there claim to live apart from Lies is null and void. However if they were ever to accept these truths, then the whole last 46 years will have to go out the window. Hitler, Stalin, Kim and all dictators use the same formula in controlling people. If you have had your eyes opened and gotten free of this evil Cult, Thank God every Day. " Self promotion and severity towards others, is one and the same Vice" This sums up JTJnr, JHS, JSH, WBH and the next guy will be worse.

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    1. Easy on the 'Old man' stuff Ken! I'm only 63 for Pete's sake.

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    2. Ahhhhh you see, it all come back to -
      The word is hard, who can hear it? Let's be honest folks. When Stephen was being stoned, they covered-up their ears and rushed upon him with one accord because they could not stand the pure words of truth. Today the spirit of the world is just the same. The refusal, rejection and hatred of Christ and those who reflect his spirit.
      All you vindictive and bitter people should know that every word you say and write is noted by God as to whether it be good or evil.
      I say you have evil in your hearts because you have turned away from the truth and are now opposed to God's will in this day.

      Think about it soberly folks then repent in copious amounts of dust n ashes...

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    3. Soberly?? Since when did the EB know anything about sobriety?
      "Pure words of truth" - Would that link in any way with the ministry of James Taylor junior in Aberdeen in 1970?
      Have you received permission to write such drivel on the sabbath?

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    4. Anon 21st May 16:02

      You say –
      “The word is hard, who can hear it?”

      Please explain which ‘word’ you are referring to ?

      I ask this question because the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church aka Exclusive Brethren do ‘Not’ follow Gods Word which is the Bible, so Im asking which ‘word’ are you referring to and which ‘word’ are the PBCC EB following because it sure isn’t Gods Word the Bible.

      You Say –
      “When Stephen was being stoned, they covered-up their ears and rushed upon him with one accord because they could not stand the pure words of truth……”

      1. Stephen was indeed speaking truth from Gods Word which could be verified, checked and confirmed through Gods written Word and the words God had already spoken through Christ

      2. The Plymouth Brethren Christian Church aka Exclusive Brethren are indoctrinated into thinking they speak words of truth from God, yet what they say, practice and follow is NOT found in Gods Word the Bible, and therefore cant be of Christ

      3. If what you say, practice and follow can’t be confirmed, checked and verified by Gods already written word which is the Holy Bible, and if what you say, practice and follow directly contradicts, ignores and twists Gods Word the Bible, then it clearly is NOT words of truth from God and not of Christ

      4. God can not contradict Himself, nor is He double minded, nor is He a liar. Gods Word the Bible teaches us these things.

      5. To reject the false teaching that PBCC EB peddle is correct because Christians are taught to reject what is not of Christ and what the PBCC EB follow is NOT of Christ because it cant be confirmed, checked and verified by Gods Word the Bible and it directly contradicts, ignores and twists Gods Word the Bible.

      You say –
      “I say you have evil in your hearts because you have turned away from the truth and are now opposed to God's will in this day”

      No my friend, we have rejected false teaching which is not of Christ. Plymouth Brethren Christian Church aka Exclusive Brethren say, practice and follow this –

      -Separation from all other Christians and Christian Churches
      -Not allowed to worship or fellowship with any other Christians
      -Not allowed to sit at the Lords Table with any other Christians
      -Not allowed to visit another Christian Church to hear Gods Word
      -Not allowed to eat or drink with any other Christians
      -Withdraw from those Christians who leave the sect
      -Divide households if a person leaves, even if that person is a Christian
      -Allow babes in arms to take communion
      -Teach that all other Christians are iniquitous
      -Teach that only the PBCC EB has the truth
      -Teach that the Lord is only free to come to the PBCC EB
      -No marriage to anyone outside the sect even if they are Christian
      -Follow a deeply sectarian separatist agenda, which God and Christ hate
      -Follow the words of leaders past and present such as James Taylor, James Taylor Junior, Symington, Bruce Hales, all of whom produce edicts which directly contradict, ignore and twist Gods Word the Bible and can not be confirmed, checked or verified through Gods Word the Bible, making the utterances of ‘these great men’ opposed to Gods Word and Christ.

      The practices and doctrines of the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church could only ever be genuinely Gods will in this day IF they can be confirmed, checked or verified through Gods Word the Bible and IF they do not directly contradict, ignore and twist Gods Word the Bible !

      Plainly, the false teaching followed by the PBCC EB (some of which is listed above) is NOT truth and is NOT Gods teaching or will, because it can not be confirmed, checked or verified through Gods Word the Bible and directly contradicts, ignores and twists Gods Word the Bible.

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  10. I too recall the introduction of the "no Pet" rule in 1963 - JTjunior Volume28 Pages 60 and 249 ( My copy was put on a bonfire some 40 years ago! However someone may be able to look up the references).There were some apocryphal stories about the consequence of that ridiculous "ministry". One I recall was an old sister who gave her cat to a neighbour but the cat kept returning to its original owner! Another problem which arose at that time was that of sheep dogs. There were still a few farmers amongst the EBs in the mid 1960s and those with sheep needed a dog. There was then a debate about whether this constituted a pet!! How stupid we were!
    Anonymous who commented at 10.45 on 18 May has already been answered more than adequately.
    All I would add is that one has only to go to the source of the "no pets" ministry - a discredited alcoholic who should never have been allowed to assume a position of leadership in any Christian Church. Some of the stupid rules he introduced during the 1960s have been quietly discarded e.g only eating food prepared by holy hands. Perhaps Anonymous 10.45 could tell us why. Fast food outlets are now frequented by EBs of all ages. They are almost as popular as the off-licences in their supermarkets. Perhaps anonymous could comment on the disproportionate number of people within the EB who suffer from self inflicted alcohol related illnesses.
    Might I suggest taking a pet dog for a walk would be more beneficial to their health than anaesthetising themselves with alcohol.

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  11. Jill, maybe you are just making a big deal about nothing right? Nice wooden spoon you got there.
    Yes, it's so obvious pets are a complete waste of time, so l'm very pleased the Peebs got rid of such pesky things. Dogs and cats belong on the farm or in the wild, not in the home. It's also really disgusting when dogs drool as food is being served.
    In fact, most people wouldn't mind if our Chinese takeaways decided to add dog and cat to the menu. No more dog shit for our kids to tread on in the parks :)


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    1. Anonymous says 'It's also really disgusting when dogs drool as food is being served'

      Agreed, its just like all the toadies who stand when BDH stands, ask 'how high' when he says jump and drool over everything he does and says. BDH could stop all that if he wanted, idolatry, hero-worship, but no, the sad, obese, ego-tripper laps it up.

      Bullet-proof glass? Body guards? He's sick. No-one apart from Brethren have ever heard of him. Not even a legend in his own street! And yes, we do know people who live in the same street.

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    2. At Fellowship meetings :-

      Do the Exclusives still stand when BDH enters the room?
      Do the Exclusives still stand when BDH leaves the room?
      Do the Exclusives arrive one hour before the meeting?
      Do all Exclusive houses have photo(s) of BDH?

      I did when in, but now I see it was, and still is, IDOLATRY

      Luke

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  12. Don't worry Jill - it seems you have stimulated a 5th row Peeb who clearly isn't one of their captains of industry - but someone with loads of time on his hands trying to take the piss with people he is fascinated with - ex-Peebs who have seen the light.

    I'll bet he is sitting around a Peeb loading dock somewhere awaiting his chance to drive the forklift again. So he plays on here to kill the sheer boredom of being a second rate Peeb - in an assembly of people where his voice will never be taken seriously. The poor sod.

    Trust me my friend. I've received more love from a dog than I ever did in the Brethren. But if you prefer the company of deluded, lying hypocrites, that is entirely your business. Just don't impose it on us. We know the truth.

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    1. "I'll bet he is sitting around a Peeb loading dock somewhere awaiting his chance to drive the forklift again."

      I think you're overestimating his intelligence by a large margin there. With an IQ hovering around room temperature I suspect he dreams of driving the fork lift truck.

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  13. "Today the spirit of the world is just the same. The refusal, rejection and hatred of Christ and those who reflect his spirit.
    All you vindictive and bitter people should know that every word you say and write is noted by God as to whether it be good or evil.
    I say you have evil in your hearts because you have turned away from the truth and are now opposed to God's will in this day.

    Think about it soberly folks then repent in copious amounts of dust n ashes... "

    So the thinking here is that - if you say a word against the PBCC -you are for the high jump heaven wise. God also notes how you spend YOUR time my anonymous Peeb friend, and I doubt he will take it too kindly that you spend, like so many of your colleagues, loads of time on here looking for ex-Peebs to bait. Go and read a ministry book or prostrate yourself in front of the BDH photo on your wall or something. I actually think God would be a bit more peeved about the idolitrous way you treat a grossly flawed individual like BDH. Always remember - there are way more Christians out here than there are in your closeted little world of self rightiousness and sanctimony.

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  14. Dear Anon 00.27

    With repect, I don't think your little organisation necessarily reflects the spirit of Christ. In fact, you appear in opposition to Christ, preferring to follow profoundly flawed, materialistic and ill educated despots who have acquired their status through nepotism, dirty tricks or political manouvres.

    There are millions of Christians in the world, millions more of other faiths; you do not occupy a unique position. Even those who have no religion, as a rule, do not *hate* Christ or Christians, nor other prophets and religions; they are more tolerant than that.

    Tolerance is in short supply within The Exclusive Brethren, a minority cult who, like scores of other cults, all possess *the truth*. We must assume, according to your thoughts, that Exclusive Brethren shortcomings have also been noted by God, whether it is individual shortcomings, drunken behaviour, hypocrisy, idolatory or cruelty against individuals and families.

    You have built your house on the shaky foundations of immoral despots and care only for extracting as much material wealth as you can from the world (spoiling the Eqyptians).

    Judge not, less you are also judged, and consider your own position and associations.

    Illuminator






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  15. Apologies, my comment refers to Anon 16.02, of course.

    Illuminator

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  16. Please note;
    PBCC is actually 'Plymouth Brethren COMMERCIAL Church' , they worship Bruce David HALES 'Our Beloved Leader' , and he's currently very concerned about the Aussie federal election , playing machiavellian as is his wont (we don't vote , just use any means to try and manipulate the vote).

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    1. Jesus expressed his harshest condemnation to the Pharisees of his day because they claimed to "have the truth" and despised others.

      NOTE: Pharisee literally means "separate".

      I wonder if the PBCC/EB ever think about this?

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  17. I recall seeing an exhibit in the Israel Museum, Jerusalem, which may be of interest to contributors to this thread.

    Here’s a description of it from page 15 of “Chronicles of the Land - Archaeology in The Israel Museum Jerusalem”, Edited by Michal Dayagi-Mendels and Silvia Rozenberg and Published by The Israel Museum, Jerusalem. (My copy is the Second Edition, 2011.)


    “The world’s earliest settled communities emerged in the Land [the land of Israel] 14,500 years ago. In a grave excavated at Eynan [north of the Sea of Galilee], one of the oldest settlements, the skeleton of a woman was found together with that of a wolf cub - the ancestor of the dog. This rare discovery, together with the increasing numbers of storage vessels and mortars found in these settlements, reflects a new human relationship with nature - the first steps toward the domestication of animals and plants.”

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  18. Ahem Joan, Once more your imagination wanders hither and thither. What laughable claptrap although much better than Dawkins millions of years :)
    That date of 14,500 years is just a wild assumption at best and certainly not archaeology. No real evidence exists and nothing supports such a speculative claim.
    Furthermore, the Habitable Earth at that time was not yet in existence or possibly only a ball of hot rock waiting for God's mighty and creative hand.
    The 'Wolf' was most likely happily snacking on the woman after she died, so let's forget the fanciful notion of it being a pet and somehow discrediting the way the Lord has moved on. I suggest it all comes down to doing anything to avoid God's word the bible.
    Ahhh you see, the things we do to make so call evidence fit. Reminds me of Dawkins trying to persuade us that something can come from nothing. Now, that would be magic ,as it would take God himself to conduct such a miracle.

    Nice try

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    1. @ 23 May 2016 at 19:19

      I've tried to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass. What a total fuckwit. You're the proof that evolution CAN go in reverse.

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    2. Anonymous of 23 May 2016 at 19:19,

      You say, “That date of 14,500 years is just a wild assumption at best and certainly not archaeology. No real evidence exists and nothing supports such a speculative claim.”

      You may change your mind about this if you read some Brethren ministry, or if you read about 20th Century discoveries in astronomy, cosmology, geology, archaeology, physics or genetics. These all provide very strong, consistent, confirmatory evidence that some things are extremely old.

      Rocks can be dated by several independent methods that all agree with one another. Timber items can be dated by the pattern of annual growth rings, a method that provides such direct and easily understood information that it is almost impossible to explain it away. Some astronomical objects are so far away that the light from them has taken billions of years to reach us. The Andromedan Galaxy, which you can see even with the naked eye, is more than a million light-years away.

      Brethren tend to be uneasy with such discoveries, because some of their “great men” took Biblical chronology very literally. John Hales poured scorn on the idea of human artefacts 20,000 years old and meteorites much older, and scoffed at the folly of scientists. Only a few years ago some books were deemed unsuitable for Brethren schools because they referred to rocks that were billions of years old. But more recently in his ministry, B. D. Hales has conceded that some things are indeed much older than biblical chronology would suggest. That represents progress, and I am glad to see it.

      J. N. Darby did not take all of Genesis as literal history. In his “Hints on the Book of Genesis” page 89 he writes, “Chapter 10 is not history, but a survey of the whole earth. There were no tongues or nations at all till Babel; if you try to put this chapter into time, you will go all astray.”

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    3. I have just found the place where BDH concedes that some things are millions of years old. It is in White Book 535 page 14 (Sydney, 28 December 2013). He says, “Of course, it you studied geology, which was an excellent subject too, because that was dealing with creation. A lot of it, of course, millions and millions of years ago, which you didn't really have to worry about, except it exists.”

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  19. "the Habitable Earth at that time was not yet in existence or possibly only a ball of hot rock"

    And your proof is empirical, peer-reviewed evidence? Or something you read in an old book?

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