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Sunday, 2 August 2015

The 'Purity' of James Taylor Jnr

A number of former members of the Hales Exclusive Brethren (including my own Father) have been asked specifically if they believe in the purity of James Taylor Junior by current PBCC members.

It would appear to be a PBCC 'stock question' to assess former members eligeability for contact with current members.


18 comments:

  1. Wasn't he the foul-mouthed drunkard who 'lead' a meeting in Aberdeen in the 70s? And was subsequently found in bed with the naked wife of another man?

    The photo looks pretty dodgy too!

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    1. The very same! Pure as the driven slush!

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  2. I'm sorry, I would not lie just to see my family for the first time in many years. They can believe that pigs can fly for all I care. Delusional, hypocritical and dishonest, meet the recently rebranded Plymouth Brethren Christian Church.

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  3. What is there not to believe? This is a man who was an alcoholic (indisputable fact). Allegedly sodomised a young boy. Was found under a sheet with the naked wife of another man (indisputable fact, caught in the act). Was foul mouthed and offensive (especially to women). Indisputable fact, read the 'ministry' or listen to the recordings. Turned thousands of people into heavy drinkers to justify and conceal his own alcoholism. So if they're all signs of purity, then yes I believe he was a pure man.

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  4. Exclusive Brethren of a former era adopted a strict fundamental code that excluded alcohol along with all the other "worldly" pursuits. Under Taylor's demonic direction, they were forced to drink to rule or risk social censure, if not actual disciplinary measures. Such enforced drinking led to displays of drunken and inappropriate behaviour,"The Lord's Day" being especially celebrated.

    Such is authoritarian extremism - uncivilised, immoral or possibly even illegal behaviour is justified within a closed group operating without correct governance.

    Pure is not in the picture; try profoundly flawed, damaged, offensive, disgusting, or even wicked.

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  5. It has been 45 years and the EB are still using JT Jnr as the paragon of purity! Most of the current EB were not even born, or were still in short pants. Even big BDH was only a teenager half way around the world. How can they set JT Jnr as the "standard" as a pure man? They have never heard the tapes from Aberdeen in July 1970, nor have they read the so-called ministry in volumes 146 and 148 of the green books. If they had, they would have seen him as a blaspheming drunken misogynist who repeatedly said of wives to "give them a good beating" and on several occasions made lewd comments about the male and female anatomy.

    Then found as an adulterer in bed with the naked wife of another man - as testified in a court of law in Holland.

    If this man is the standard of purity, just how low can they go? It is so sad.

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  6. " That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

    So for those who wish to speak to their family, of course Junior was pure man. Purely man. Unrivaled fleshly man. A pure man indeed.

    & no I don't miss the mental gymnastics I became so unwittingly good ( or bad ) at.

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  7. I believe he was a good man and may be called pure

    The problem is the EB think he was perfect, without fault and then infallible

    Thomas

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    1. Thomas

      Not sure if I follow your reasoning. Why should a good man may be called pure?

      If your notion of a good man is someone who wrecked hundreds of lives, drove some to mental breakdown and even suicide, turned thousands into alcoholics, with attending health problems, then it is good he wasn't bad, as it were.

      Taylor was a ruthless dictator in his little cult; with the same lack of governance, principles, morality and sensitivity as any other dictator, political or otherwise. He and his zealous henchmen and regional leaders commited crimes against humanity

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    2. What does it mean to be pure man?

      As Christians we should aim to be free of sin and hence good, but we all fail

      Thomas

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    3. Some people wielding influence and control over others, fail more spectacularly and move from a position of human frailty to human corruption.

      Let us remember the EB sister egg sellers, of Staffordshire, who were terrorised out of their little home business, partly because their eggs bore the lion stamp; this was interpreted by the voodoo priest, Taylor, as something satanic. They committed suicide together, as a result. Taylor and his regional acolytes continued their path of destruction, financed by the Exclusive Brethren.

      Calculated wicked acts, not just failures.

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    4. Those in positions of power and control over other lives appear to fail more spectacularly than others.

      Let us remember the sister egg sellers of Staffordshire who were hounded out of their little home business by the teachings of Taylor and the actions of his enforcers, partly because their eggs were stamped with the lion symbol; this being interpreted by the voodoo priest Taylor as being of the devil (rather like the voodoo over bar codes, garage door openers and the other superstitious nonsense). The two sisters were driven to despair and took their own lives, as a result.

      Taylor continued his path of destruction, financed by the Exclusive Brethren - not so much Christian failing ( since he wasn't one) as calculated evil.

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    5. Mmmm, rather like Gordon Pollard and the Barcodes. No, not a pop group, just the rather soulless, portly, bald man who told the world on BBC television all about 666 and barcodes and how the PBCC wouldn't touch them. I expect his wife told him to say that, she did most things.

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    6. Thomas,

      The brethren meaning of "pure man" in regard of JT Jr. is simply a denial of the sinfulness of what he did at Aberdeen. Say the words, block the incident from your mind, plug your ears, nod your head, and keep going to meeting.
      That is what it means there.

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    7. King Solomon was a good man

      Would commentators or EB say they believe in his purity?

      Thomas

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  8. JT Jnr was a big supporter of Edward Heath.....I wonder why?

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  9. The EB reconciliation of this dilemma (how you describe someone as pure when all the evidence says something else) is found here: "To the pure, all things are pure."

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  10. It is reassuring that no EB supporter has sought to justify the overtly sinful and socially unacceptable behaviour of someone we were told in 1970 to support 100% if we were to remain with the fellowship. A pure man??? All the evidence suggests otherwise.

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