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Friday, 2 January 2015

The Hales Exclusive small Independent Business Club

Has Darby's ideal organisation metamorphosed into an exclusive small independent business club with a distinct mission to feed the Hales family coffers via nefarious methods such as cleverly devised tax avoidance gymnastics, or has it become a fully fledged mainstream Church?

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  1. I know nothing about the Hales' family coffers, but last year I was told by a PBCC member that I couldn't be a member of the PBCC because I'm not the wife of a man who owns his own business.

    I thought that was ridiculous, but when I considered it further I had to admit that, as far as I know, there are no chartered accountants or archaeologists in the PBCC, just as there are no bus drivers or local authority care workers in this group.

    The PBCC 'brother' who was talking to me explained that the reason why the PBCC is made up exclusively of people in business for themselves (and their families) was because the apostles were all independent businessmen. He didn't seem to know that in the days of Imperial Rome tax collectors, although working as private agents (and much hated for it!), were actually employed by the taxation authorities of the Empire.

    Time was (before the 1960s) when Exclusive Brethren people could be civil servants or work for the Inland Revenue. I personally knew two women members who were graduate teachers, a 'brother' who was a pharmacist and a 'sister' who was a doctor.

    I don't know of any other mainstream church that restricts the higher educational opportunities of its members and requires its congregation to be independent business people.

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  2. Joan, that is truly appalling to be told that, but I suppose not so surprising as they have been lead astray on so much else, why not church membership too?

    Are they a mainstream church? Before answering that I have to ask myself, 'are they a church?'

    They days they use the name church to describe themselves.

    They do appear to believe and preach many Christian basic doctrines.

    Many do appear to be sincere in their beliefs, for example Jed Christie's confession of faith on the PBCC video of him.

    But as a whole, are they a church?

    They ignore so much of scripture. They twist bits they do keep. They invent other laws/rules that grace should be setting them free from.

    They perform seemingly pharisaical acts of charity to win external support and approval (but missing out on the rewards from Father God in heaven).

    They meet and match so many of the identifiers of a cult - a religious cult - but none-the-less a cult.

    So are they a church?

    In my opinion, no.

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    1. 'Jed Christie's confession of faith on the PBCC video of him'.

      It's a great pity that (as usual) the PBCC only tell part of a story. After publicising the tragic death of a young father in Australia, drowned in a foolhardy kayaking expedition with a young child and no life jacket, you would think they might have told the world how Jed Christie lost his leg.

      I believe there were prosecutions made after the usual PBBC ignorance of safety standards. Digging a trench for a meeting room without supporting the sides is about as foolish as kayaking without a life jacket. And what of the PBCC member recently crushed to death in a rubbish compressor? Should he have been inside the machine? I very much doubt it.

      This is what really worries me about the PBCC's recent foray into the world of 'Rapid Relief'.

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    2. Jed does say what happened, but no further than that. But I agree, their apparent wanton recklessness would make them a liability to themselves and all those around them.

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  3. “I was told by a PBCC member that I couldn't be a member of the PBCC because I'm not the wife of a man who owns his own business.”

    “The PBCC 'brother' who was talking to me explained that the reason why the PBCC is made up exclusively of people in business for themselves (and their families) was because the apostles were all independent businessmen”

    What an extraordinary inconsistent, hypocritical, unbiblical & unchristian set of explanations

    Only some in the PBCC Exclusive Brethren can ever possibly be self employed, the rest of the PBCC EB will actually work for, in other words be employed by PBCC EB businesses, so those members wont be ‘self employed’. How therefore does the principle operate then ? Do they have to accept a lower place in heaven because they weren’t self employed ?

    What difference does it make anyway ?, Does Gods Word (The Bible) specifically state that to be a higher class Christian you need to be ‘self employed’ ?

    The PBCC EB were happy to produce glossy brochures in 2012 / 13 /14 extolling the virtues of historical members employment, some of these were NOT self employed, so how will the principle operate with them ? Do they have to accept a lower place in heaven because they weren’t self employed ?

    The explanation is a perfect example of “wresting with scripture”

    Beside which, membership of a genuine Christian Church does not hinge on whether you are self employed or not !. The Bible NEVER says such a thing.

    R

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  4. I would have more respect for the PBCC if it gave up its religious pretences and evolved into a Private Business and Commerce Confederation, which could still be called PBCC. The members would then be free to explore, adopt or profess a religion or denomination of their own choice, or not. Giving them that freedom would help to ensure sincerity and consistency.

    The price would be loss of tax concessions, but the gain would more than compensate. Remember the resounding words of the Declaration of Arbroath. “It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom – for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with his life.”

    It has sometimes been argued that freedom is a universal value, because if you value anything at all, whether it is truth or goodness or love or beauty or anything else, you must necessarily value the freedom to pursue it.

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