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Sunday, 21 December 2014

Garfie & Graham

15 comments:

  1. I trust not. I have very recently been assured by Garth Christie that the PBCC Church do not keep tabs on ex-members. Any readers know otherwise?

    Mark R Elliott

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    1. Mark, please contact me. I may have some information.

      zs44f+4nkigmxg253gg@sharklasers.com

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    2. Mmmm, sharklasers.com? Is that another UBT sponsored organisation? Sounds like it.

      Why not contact me on electvessel@fullupbrownenvelopes.com

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    3. sharklasers offer temporary/disposable email addresses.

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  2. Puzzled why they draw up outside my house then and stare up the driveway? Co-incidence?

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  3. From what l've been told by many former members' Graham Reiner is a kindly and helpful man. Just seems some ex members are determined to live in sin and misery....

    Look up and you will see Christ and all that is positive...

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    1. .............but forget about your family and friends who are still held captive in the sin and misery of the Exclusive Brethren

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    2. Anon 21st Dec 18:44

      I’m an ex member and I certainly don’t live in sin and misery thanks

      - I’m able to worship, fellowship & have communion with all bible following Christians as part of the One Body of Christ, His Church, His Assembly, which includes all Christians saved by the blood of Christ, as biblically instructed

      - I’m able to eat & drink with all Christians as biblically instructed

      - I’m able to exercise my God given personal & spiritual conscience as biblically instructed

      - I’m able to have normal family relations with my Christian relatives who are out of the PBCC EB

      - I’m able to celebrate the birth of Christ at Christmas time just as the heavenly hosts did (Luke 2)

      I could not do any of these things inside the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church Exclusive Brethren. As a Christian I therefore jump for joy and celebrate every day that I am free of the chains of bondage to a system invented by and controlled by the whims, ideas and rules of “men” who do not follow what the Holy Scriptures teach

      Get out of the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church Exclusive Brethren and you will see Christ and enjoy real Christianity as biblically taught

      John

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  4. You cannot leave the one place where Christ is free to come to and then find him outside.
    He may come to the doorway of a worldly church and note some Godly individuals, but cannot enter in and walks away in distress.
    Why is that, some may protest?
    Very simply there is -

    One God
    One truth
    One light
    One place
    One unity
    One way
    One faith

    No servant can serve two masters.






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    1. Anon 25 December 2014 at 23:21

      What is a 'wordly church'?

      One where the leaders drink excessively?
      One where historical leaders drank excessively?
      One where an historical leader was accused of adultery?
      One where an historical leader was accused of paedophilia?
      One where doctrines not found in the Bible take precedence over Biblical doctrines?
      One where the love of money has become the driving force?
      One where most key indicators point to it being a cult?

      And more besides.

      So where do you mean?

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    2. Anon 23.21......and countless empty bottles. If you don't mind my saying, I think you are writing nonsense. if Christ came to a PB cult centre he would be distressed at the fortifications and would not know how to enter.

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    3. Anon 25 Dec 23:21

      Your comments are total arrogant delusional presumption. These are character traits common to the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church Exclusive Brethren.

      “You cannot leave the one place where Christ is free to come to”

      - Who are you to think you can restrict Christ ?

      - Nothing in the Bible says that the PBCC EB are the “One true place” ?

      - Please explain why Christ would exclusively restrict His presence to one particular Church group when that group ignores vast swathes of His Word ?

      - How do your comments fit with other PBCC EB supporters on another blog who claim the PBCC EB are a ‘mainstream church’ just like any other ?

      - You can’t claim to be a ‘mainstream church’ but then say that the PBCC EB is the only place Christ is free to come to. Your contradicting yourselves

      - You can’t claim to be a ‘mainstream church’ but then say that the PBCC EB is the ‘one place’ & ‘one way’ . Your contradicting yourselves

      You see, the doctrines, principles & rules of the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church Exclusive Brethren are founded on the whims, edicts, ideas, fancies of men. They are NOT founded in the Word of God which is the Bible, so you will naturally contradict, confuse, obfuscate, complicate, use smoke & mirrors, bluff, wriggle and muddle in your desperate attempts to justify and explain your principles, because they can not be explained or justified from Gods Word the Bible. If they were founded on Gods Word the Bible they would be easy to explain & would not contradict, or confuse, or take away from, or add to Gods Word the Bible.

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    4. Dear Anonymous25 December 2014 at 23:21

      Like our friend LJO, clearly you have derived your thoughts from scripture. So as to not make such a lengthy post, I won't insert verses for all of your "one" statements, but for starters:

      You say "One God"
      -- Would the following be it? (or did Charles Taze Russel win bragging rights to that section?)

      Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am HE: before me there was no *God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, I am Jehovah; and besides me there is no saviour. It is I that have declared, and have saved, and have shewed, when there was no strange god among you; and ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, that I am *God. Yea, since the day was, I am HE, and there is none that delivereth out of my hand: I will work, and who shall hinder it?

      (Isa 43:10-13)

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      You Say – “Like our friend LJO, clearly you have derived your thoughts from scripture. So as to not make such a lengthy post, I won't insert verses for all of your "one" statements, but for starters:”

      Your post reads like you agree with what ‘Dot’ and ‘LJO’ say. Do you agree with them ?

      ‘Dot’ & ‘LJO’ may give the perception they quote from scripture, but it is never in context & is always an abuse of Gods Word. What they quote always has a twist & is never an explanation of factual reality of doctrines & practices of the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church PBCC which are the ‘very opposite’ of what the Bible teaches !

      An example of this is the post from ‘Dot’ above

      The First half of ‘Dot’s post is classic PBCC EB false teaching about only ‘their place’ being the right place, only ‘their place’ being where the Lord is free to visit etc. All of which is nonsense contrary to biblical teaching & factual reality.

      The Second half of ‘Dot’s post tries to add a gloss of veneer to the false teaching first stated, by giving the impression the first statements are justified from the Bible, a process which completely abuses the Word of God

      Here’s why –

      One God – true from what the Bible states but its not what PBCC EB believe or practice. If they did they would not separate from all other Christians nor would they refuse to eat or drink with all other Christians nor would they refuse to sit at the Lords Table with other Christians or have fellowship or worship with them.

      One Truth – true from what the Bible states but its not what PBCC EB believe or practice. They are taught that ‘they’ the PBCC EB are ‘the truth’ . Whereas the Bible simply states that being in Christ is the truth.

      One light - true from what the Bible states but its not what PBCC EB believe or practice. They are taught that ‘they’ the PBCC EB are ‘the light’ and that ‘the light’ is found only ‘within’ the PBCC EB . Whereas the Bible simply states that Christ is the light and that ALL Christians (irrespective of church denomination) can walk in the light if they follow what Gods Word teaches.

      One Place – the Bible never ever says that only ‘one place’ or one particular church denomination is ‘it’ and that only ‘it’ is the place where all Christians must be, the Bible never ever states that. The Bible simply states that - 1 John 1:7 “But if we walk in the light as *he* is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin.”. That verse applies to ALL Christians saved by the Grace of God and the Blood of Christ, of whatever church denomination. It is an instruction to Christians to follow what Christ Jesus teaches through His Word, which is the Bible. That verse does Not say “But if we walk in the light as *he* is in the light, with PBCC EB we have fellowship with one another, in PBCC EB and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses only those in the PBCC EB from all sin.” !! does it ?

      One Unity - that is true from what the Bible states but its not what PBCC EB believe or practice. Christians who follow the Bible know the Bible teaches all Christians are part of the One Body, One Lord, One Baptism, One Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4), whatever Christian Church they are in (denominational or non denominational). Yet, PBCC EB don’t believe or practice these instructions, because they ‘Separate’ from All other Christians & refuse to have fellowship, worship or commune with them at the Lords Table. So the PBCC EB promote & practice divisive disunity.

      The PBCC EB believe & practice that Christians must not only agree on the core essentials of Christianity but must also agree on all peripheral non essentials, (TV, Radio, etc) otherwise they must separate, withdraw & refuse fellowship with any other Christians. The problem is the Bible does NOT teach such practice. PBCC EB clearly haven’t read or understood Romans 14 about ‘conscience’ or 1 Corinthians 12 about ‘operations of the Spirit’.

      John

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      Perhaps you can answer my questions from above, which of course are asking about the behaviour and lifestyle of PBCC EB Leaders.

      What is a 'worldly church'?

      One where the leaders drink excessively?
      One where historical leaders drank excessively?
      One where an historical leader was accused of adultery?
      One where an historical leader was accused of paedophilia?
      One where doctrines not found in the Bible take precedence over Biblical doctrines?
      One where the love of money has become the driving force?
      One where most key indicators point to it being a cult?

      And more besides.

      So where do you mean?

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