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Wednesday, 17 December 2014

First female bishop named as the Reverend Libby Lane

Will the Hales exclusive brethren pick up the baton?http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30510137

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Media captionLibby Lane said she was "honoured and thankful" to be chosen

Reverend Libby Lane has been announced as the first female bishop for the Church of England, just a month after a historic change to canon law.

She will become the new Bishop of Stockport, a post that has been vacant since May.

Mrs Lane has been the vicar at St Peter's Hale and St Elizabeth's Ashley, in the diocese of Chester, since 2007.

The general synod voted to back plans for female bishops in July and formally adopted legislation on 17 November.

The appointment will end centuries of male leadership of the Church and comes 20 years after women became priests.

Mrs Lane was ordained a deacon in 1993 and a priest in 1994, serving her curacy in Blackburn, Lancashire. Since 2010 she has also held the role of Dean of Women in Ministry for the diocese of Chester.

'Unexpected and exciting'

Speaking at Stockport town hall the new bishop, whose role was approved by the Queen, said it was a "remarkable day for me and an historic day for the Church".

"This is unexpected and very exciting," she said.

"I'm honoured and thankful to be called to serve as the next Bishop of Stockport and not a little daunted to be entrusted with such a ministry."

Prime Minister David Cameron congratulated Mrs Lane and said: "This is an historic appointment and an important step forward for the Church towards greater equality in its senior positions".

Mrs Lane will be consecrated as the eighth bishop of the town at a ceremony at York Minster on 26 January.

The first women priests were ordained in 1994, but to date women have not been able to take on the Church's most senior roles.

Legislation to fast track women bishops into the House Of Lords will be introduced to Parliament on Thursday.

But Mrs Lane will not be able to enter the House of Lords, as the post she is taking up is a junior or suffragan appointment within the Diocese of Chester, the BBC's religious correspondent Caroline Wyatt said.

Rev Libby Lane
Mrs Lane will be consecrated as the eighth bishop of the town at a ceremony at York Minster on 26 January

After being schooled in Manchester and then the University at Oxford, she trained for ministry at Cranmer Hall in Durham, according to her church's website.

Her husband George - a chaplain at Manchester Airport - is also a priest, and they were one of the first married couples in the Church of England to be ordained together.

Her interests included being a school governor, supporting Manchester United and learning to play the saxophone, her church website also said.

Gloucester, Oxford and Newcastle are also among the dioceses where new bishops will also soon be appointed, and interviews for the vacancy as bishop for the Southwell and Nottingham diocese took place at the start of December.

The first women bishop eligible to take up a seat in the Lords is expected to be announced in the new year.

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The general synod, the Church's law-making body, gave the final seal of approval to the legislation on women bishops after it passed through Parliament in October.

After the change was approved, the Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby said that the Church was entering into a "completely new phase of our existence".

But divisions still remain in the church between Anglicans who feel the change is consistent with their faith and traditionalists who disagree.

The path to the Church appointing female bishops has taken many years.

One of the first crucial steps came in 1975 when the general synod voted that there was "no fundamental objection" to the ordination of women to the priesthood, but it did not pass a second motion asking for the legal barriers to women's ordination to be removed.

In 1985, a vote allowed women to become deacons, and in 1992 women were officially permitted to be ordained in the priesthood, but the first women priests were not announced until two years later.

In November 2012, the vote to allow female bishops failed by six votes in the House of Laity. But in July 2013, it voted 152 in favour of the motion, with 45 against, and five abstentions.

Churches in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland already allow women as bishops, but haven't appointed one yet.

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29 comments:

  1. Completely wrong of course.
    All such things stem from the notions of men. JND was clear about this being all part of the Apostasy.
    Reading his little publication - The Notion of a Clergyman will certainly enlighten and cause us to understand what the world's church is. The Truth removes darkness. Men have loved darkness rather than light etc etc and so there is one light, one truth, one way, one position and place in which Christ is free to come into the midst thereof.


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    1. Anon 17th Dec 13:42

      Are pastors, elders, shepherds, deacons who dont wear robes of office, who dont wear symbols, who dont use bells, who dont use incense, also labelled as "clergy" by the PBCC EB ?

      Are such pastors, elders, shepherds, deacons, mentioned in JND's 'Notion of ..' ?

      What does Gods Word (The Holy Bible) teach about pastors, elders, teachers, shepherds, deacons ?

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  2. Unlike Anonymous at 13.42, I welcome this news and wish Mrs Lane God's blessing in her new field of ministry.

    I don't think anyone who knows the PBCC/Exclusive Brethren will expect them to be pleased at this development. From their beginning in the late 1820s-early 1830s the Brethren were opposed to clerical leadership and, as far as I know, their leaders have all been men.

    The Church of England has worked hard over this issue and the overwhelming majority of its members are glad that it's now resolved. Those who feel strongly that it's a wrong move are still part of the church - it has been a priority not to exclude people because they disagree with women's ministry.

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  3. Given the New Testament examples of women in leadership roles in the church, the only thing I regret about this development is that it took so long.

    I have no doubt Libby Lane satisfies all the qualifications to be a bishop, as defined in Titus 1:7-9. I wish every blessing in her ministry.

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  4. It's curious that the EB are so concerned about clergymen but against the word of Scripture have introduced a different class of membership called 'Priest's' or in everyday understanding, clergymen in their own structure. Yet they still mither on about clergymen as though it was nothing to do with them. But isn't that true of so much of their beliefs and practices?

    For many of us in non-conformist churches, what the CofE do is not what we do or would want to do. Rather we prefer to stick with the simple five-fold ministries of Ephesians 4:11.

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  5. Joan ....
    Vicars and Clergy dressed up in silly frilly frocks has about as much to do with Christianity as Barbie...
    God's going to throw the those filthy rags into the lake of fire.
    New field of ministry my foot...
    More like a field of spiritual famine and moral death.

    Oh Dear Lord ....
    Cometh thou quickly, lest thy people
    are conned by such utter tosh...Amen.

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    1. Anon 17th Dec 22:47 & Anon 18th Dec 3:36

      Women did pray, engage in prophecy & take some authoritative place in the New Testament Christian Church as 1 Cointhians 11v5 tells us & there are examples in scripture of women talking to men about Christ. Priscilla was involved in teaching Apollos in Acts 18:24-26.

      In Romans 16 v1 it describes Phebe as a servant (I think the greek used is deaconess) of the church at Cenchrea. In Romans 16 v3 it speaks of Priscilla being a fellow worker in Christ. The woman in John 4 talked (gave testimony / preached) to the men of the city about the messiah v28-30 and in v39-42. There was Deborah the leader and prophetess in Judges 4 & 5 & I’m sure there are other examples.

      As regards the rest of your comments

      - “Vicars and Clergy..silly frilly frocks..those filthy rags..”

      Are you aware of the vast number of non denominational Christian Churches (with no connection to Brethren), who have appointed pastors, elders, shepherds, deacons who dont wear robes of office, who dont wear symbols, who dont use bells, who dont use incense.

      a. Do you still label such Christian Churches as having “Clergy” ?
      b. Are such eldership positions mentioned & prohibited by JN Darby’s “Notion of a clergyman a sin against the Holy Spirit” ?
      c. Are you aware of what Gods Word the Bible teaches about appointing pastors, elders, teachers, shepherds, deacons to lead a local Christian Church ?

      - “that JND led us away from so long ago. Praise God for these great men that are leading us through the recovery..”

      Are you aware that –

      When JN Darby & others set up the original Plymouth Brethren there were already many Christian Churches in existence which recognised error in the main denominations & had separated from them. These non denominational Christian Churches were already focusing on the Lords Supper, doing without the traditions of robes, bells & incense for clergy & going back to a system of biblical elders, pastors, shepherds as instructed in the Bible. This trend has accelerated in the last 150 years.

      However, the Brethren were separate to all that because Darby & others set up their own organisation in the late 1820’s 30’s. Christian Churches that followed NT Church practices were already in existence in the 1820’s 30’s, outside of any connection to the Brethren.

      What is even more important, is that following the Bethesda split in the Plymouth Brethren creating Open & Exclusive Brethren, the Exclusive Brethren (now renamed PBCC) took a very distinctive sectarian path littered with false teaching, abuse of the Christian Bible, harm & detriment to those associated with it & creating divisions between Christians.

      It is quite clear your so called “recovery” was never a recovery of anything because what Darby & others were trying to do was already being done, & has continued to be done (increasingly so), outside of the Exclusive Brethren to this day.

      Furthermore, doing a careful comparison of the practices & history of the Exclusive Brethren (PBCC) with the Christian Bible clearly shows that the God of the Holy Bible would never associate with such false evil abuse as perpetrated by Exclusive Brethren PBCC, such as -

      Drunken leaders
      Immorality from leaders
      Refusing to eat or drink with other Christians
      Family division
      Blatant ignoring of Biblical instruction
      Blatant twisting of Gods Word
      Separation from all other Christians
      Calling all other Christians iniquitous & evil
      Introduction of blatant false teachings

      It is also to be noted that only harmful cultish sects claim to have ‘recovered’ the true church & be a bastion of some kind of unique ‘recovery’, that no one outside of ‘them’ is privileged to have.

      For example, the very same unique ‘recovery of the truth’ that the Exclusive Brethren (Plymouth Brethren Christian Church) claims, is also claimed by other harmful, damaging, divisive, detrimental sects, such as Jehovahs Witness (JW’s) & the Mormon’s. Its all a delusion

      R

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    2. 11:22 / R...So l think we're right to say you are against the Recovery?

      From the contentious comments here, it seems some have rejected God's divine right to move forward as he will. Christianity is not static or passive and His ways are not our ways etc. Ahh Yes he does turn corners. Are we ready to follow him and be unpopular?

      So if you are just satisfied to exchange village news, have tea and cream scones with Rev Skirtaround or Bishop Silly Frillyfrock in the Vicarage garden, you will not be of use to Christ or ready to suffer for his name.

      A Delusion?
      Far be the thought dear friend...
      All too easy to Cherry pick what you deem to be acceptable, but we either accept God's word or reject it.
      See - Those who reject his word are really rejecting the whole bible.
      The scripture is the inspired word of God and cannot be broken.

      Some speak evil of the way, well this really is an attempt to opt out and typical of those who seek an easier path in a world which hates Christ.

      See - Being a real Christian involves suffering and being rejected, but if we suffer with Christ, we will reign with him.
      Don't be surprised to be hated by the world. It rejects those who love Christ.

      God is going to cast all the churchy claptrap, idols and frilly frocks into the lake of fire. The whole thing is a mockery of the cross of Christ.

      lt's also very interesting to note - When truth is spoken by faithful men, we can expect an opposer to rear-up in opposition.

      May the grace of God break such evil doers down and cause them to turn to God and repent.


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    3. Anon 0.19..... Would Demas come into this, do you think?

      How right that Christianity is not passive or static, that is why the Church has progressed to the appointment of a female bishop.

      I thought the Bible tells us that God remains the same, always; I didn't know He turned corners. Is this especially for the convenience of the PBCC cult; for example, to use devices (necessary for business) such as computers and mobile phones that were previously regarded as tools of Satan?

      I think a cup of tea and scone on the lawn discussing village news is healthier than a few tumblers of whisky and getting drunk while discussing corner turning and profit margins, don't you?

      Cherry picking?..The whole of PBCC cult doctrine is based on this activity.
      When truth is spoken by faithful men, and women we can expect an offensive, benighted bigot to rear up in opposition (whether he wears a frilly frock, in private, is a matter for him).

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    4. Anon 00.19....Would Demas come into this, do you think?

      How right that Christianity is not passive or static and has progressed to the appointment of a female bishop.

      I thought the bible told us that God remained the same, always. Does he turn corners specifically for the PBCC cult to allow the use of devices such as mobile hones and computers (so necessary for business) previously regarded as tools of Satan?

      I would have thought tea, scones and village chat on the lawn was healthier than getting drunk with a few tumblers of whisky, whilst discussing turnover and profit and the latest corner about to be turned.

      Cherry picking? PBCC cult doctrine is based on this activity.

      When truth is spoken by faithful men and women, we can expect a benighted bigot to rear up in opposition. If he wears frilly frock in private, that is a matter for him, who are we to condemn?

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    5. Anon 00:19

      Still banging on about what clergy wear !

      Are you aware of the vast number of non denominational Christian Churches that have biblical elders and leaders with no robes, cloaks, bells or symbols ?

      Such non denominational Christian Churches have no connection to PBCC EB, no connection to JN Darby & no connection to your so called 'Recovery' !

      Are those Churches also to be separated from ?
      Are those Churches also 'a sin against the holy spirit' ?
      Are those Churches also evil ?
      Do those Churches also have 'clergy' that is a sin ?
      Are those churches not following Gods will ?
      Are those Churches following God ?
      Do those Churches have churchy claptrap ?

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    6. Anon 0.19....Would the recovery have a link with the Monday morning recovery after a heavy bout of alcohol consumption on the day of Great Men? Just asking on behalf of the young.

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    7. 08:53
      Why ask 00:19 questions if You are confident of the answers?

      Remember - Christ IS the answer, rather than you demanding one.

      Dot

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    8. Dot
      I observe that you too are unable to answer straightforward questions about EB views and practices.
      As a Believer in the Lord Jesus I am ready and willing to answer questions enquirers may have about my faith. However I seek to base my behaviour upon God's word and not on the utterances of so called leaders whose edicts seem to change at a whim.
      Having visited many evangelical churches I find them much more in accordance with the teaching of the bible than the Exclusive Brethren.
      How many have you attended? But I forgot, you are reluctant to give straightforward answers to straightforward questions.

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    9. Anonymous19 December 2014 at 00:19

      "So if you are just satisfied to exchange village news, have tea and cream scones with Rev Skirtaround or Bishop Silly Frillyfrock in the Vicarage garden, you will not be of use to Christ or ready to suffer for his name."

      Did Jesus wear trousers .

      "See - Being a real Christian involves suffering and being rejected, but if we suffer with Christ, we will reign with him.
      Don't be surprised to be hated by the world. It rejects those who love Christ."

      The Taliban are also busy with making the same kind of claims. We are hated by the world, because of our love of Muhammad .As followers of our beloved Muhammad, we must expect to be rejected and hated by the world



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  6. Completely wrong indeed. It's sickening to see a woman in a position of authority. The bible makes it quite clear that women have their place, and this certainly isn't one of them. Maybe true Christians will wake up and see the evil that is percolating through these established churches that JND led us away from so long ago. Praise God for these great men that are leading us through the recovery to those that will heed His word.

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    1. ' It's sickening to see a woman in a position of authority.' Odd that, because I can remember when Peebs prayed for Maggie Thatcher every Monday night, that God might continue to give her strength!

      Bloody hypocrites

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    2. Heeding God's word - I fear not. There is not enough space on this blog to identify the many departures from God's word in EB practices.
      By the way how do the EB justify a woman speaking in the church when for over a century it was a strict no-no? If the EB can change their practices surely you cannot criticise the C of E for doing the same.
      Hypocrites!

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    3. The Brethren contributors to this blog may remember that Jim Taylor said several times that women could speak in the meetings and he thought they should also preach. As far as I know, these recommendations of his have been quietly forgotten.

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    4. Anon 17th Dec 22:47 & Anon 18th Dec 3:36

      Women did pray, engage in prophecy & take some authoritative place in the New Testament Christian Church as 1 Cointhians 11v5 tells us & there are examples in scripture of women talking to men about Christ. Priscilla was involved in teaching Apollos in Acts 18:24-26.

      In Romans 16 v1 it describes Phebe as a servant (I think the greek used is deaconess) of the church at Cenchrea. In Romans 16 v3 it speaks of Priscilla being a fellow worker in Christ. The woman in John 4 talked (gave testimony / preached) to the men of the city about the messiah v28-30 and in v39-42. There was Deborah the leader and prophetess in Judges 4 & 5 & I’m sure there are other examples.

      As regards the rest of your comments

      - “Vicars and Clergy..silly frilly frocks..those filthy rags..”

      Are you aware of the vast number of non denominational Christian Churches (with no connection to Brethren), who have appointed pastors, elders, shepherds, deacons who dont wear robes of office, who dont wear symbols, who dont use bells, who dont use incense.

      a. Do you still label such Christian Churches as having “Clergy” ?
      b. Are such eldership positions mentioned & prohibited by JN Darby’s “Notion of a clergyman a sin against the Holy Spirit” ?
      c. Are you aware of what Gods Word the Bible teaches about appointing pastors, elders, teachers, shepherds, deacons to lead a local Christian Church ?

      - “that JND led us away from so long ago. Praise God for these great men that are leading us through the recovery..”

      Are you aware that –

      When JN Darby & others set up the original Plymouth Brethren there were already many Christian Churches in existence which recognised error in the main denominations & had separated from them. These non denominational Christian Churches were already focusing on the Lords Supper, doing without the traditions of robes, bells & incense for clergy & going back to a system of biblical elders, pastors, shepherds as instructed in the Bible. This trend has accelerated in the last 150 years.

      However, the Brethren were separate to all that because Darby & others set up their own organisation in the late 1820’s 30’s. Christian Churches that followed NT Church practices were already in existence in the 1820’s 30’s, outside of any connection to the Brethren.

      What is even more important, is that following the Bethesda split in the Plymouth Brethren creating Open & Exclusive Brethren, the Exclusive Brethren (now renamed PBCC) took a very distinctive sectarian path littered with false teaching, abuse of the Christian Bible, harm & detriment to those associated with it & creating divisions between Christians.

      It is quite clear your so called “recovery” was never a recovery of anything because what Darby & others were trying to do was already being done, & has continued to be done (increasingly so), outside of the Exclusive Brethren to this day.

      Furthermore, doing a careful comparison of the practices & history of the Exclusive Brethren (PBCC) with the Christian Bible clearly shows that the God of the Holy Bible would never associate with such false evil abuse as perpetrated by Exclusive Brethren PBCC, such as -

      Drunken leaders
      Immorality from leaders
      Refusing to eat or drink with other Christians
      Family division
      Blatant ignoring of Biblical instruction
      Blatant twisting of Gods Word
      Separation from all other Christians
      Calling all other Christians iniquitous & evil
      Introduction of blatant false teachings

      It is also to be noted that only harmful cultish sects claim to have ‘recovered’ the true church & be a bastion of some kind of unique ‘recovery’, that no one outside of ‘them’ is privileged to have.

      For example, the very same unique ‘recovery of the truth’ that the Exclusive Brethren (Plymouth Brethren Christian Church) claims, is also claimed by other harmful, damaging, divisive, detrimental sects, such as Jehovahs Witness (JW’s) & the Mormon’s. Its all a delusion

      R

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    5. In the mid 1830s, J N Darby wrote a tract entitled ‘The Connection of the term clergy with the penal guilt of the present dispensation, and the sin against the Holy Ghost.’ It was later published under the title, ‘The Notion of a Clergyman, dispensationally the sin against the Holy Ghost.’ You can read it on the Stem Publishing web site.

      In this pamphlet John Darby wrote, “the notion of a Clergyman puts the dispensation [these two words in italics] specifically in the position of the sin against the Holy Ghost, and that every Clergyman is contributing to this [these eight words were printed in italics - presumably for emphasis]. The sin against the Holy Ghost was the ascribing to the power of evil that which came from the Holy Ghost: and such is the direct operation of the idea of a Clergyman.”

      We know from one reaction to the first issue of this tract that people, and especially some godly clergy, were offended by J N Darby’s bald statement that “every Clergyman” contributes to the sin against the Holy Ghost. The Rev’d Charles Hargrove, who had left the Irish church in 1835 to join the Brethren, sought to defend John Darby over the matter: ‘Mr. Hargrove says of this pamphlet, “Seeing the offence it has caused, I would it had never appeared; ... in excitement from unreasonable opposition, Mr. Darby may have said things, and given offence that I am sorry for; and for which, I believe, were he now by me, he would authorise me to express his sorrow.”’ (Page 100 ‘The Institutions of the Church of England are of Divine Authority’ by the Rev’d Joseph Baylee, 3rd edition Dublin, 1838.)

      When I read Anonymous's note to me yesterday at 22.47 I thought of Charles Hargrove's words as he apologised on behalf of his friend, John Darby, for any offence that had been caused. It was Darby himself who wrote in an explanation before he issued the pamphlet a second time, "I have a deep, abiding conviction that the building up of good can alone give lasting blessing, not the attacking evil. I would press It on every one who seeks good."

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  7. "Vicars and Clergy dressed up in silly frilly frocks has about as much to do with Christianity as Barbie...
    God's going to throw the those filthy rags into the lake of fire."
    Is that before or after He throws 22,000 sets of black trousers and XXXOS white shirts into the lake of fire?

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  8. It is thought provoking to see the town of Stockport mentioned on this blog again. Here we have the very positive item about the ordination of a female bishop, whilst previously we had a terrible reminder of a suicide in the same town caused by EB (PBCC) doctrines. I hope Anon of 22.47 and 03.36 will reflect on this when they have recovered from their fits of spleen.

    I am much happier reading about this appointment, in a mainstream church, than the terrible outcomes of PBCC cult doctrines and practise.

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  9. There seems to be a lot of fuss from Exclusive Brethren Plymouth Brethren Christian Church commentators about what church elders and leaders wear ! ‘frilly frocks, filthy rags, robes etc’

    Have they not read 1 Samuel 16 v7 ?, God looks on the inside anyway, only man looks on the outside !

    It is also a ‘sin’ to try to restrict the movement of the Holy Spirit by saying that clergy are a ‘sin against the Holy Spirit’

    First of all, the Holy Bible provides instructions & qualifications for appointment of church eldership & leadership positions, so to say they are not needed, or against scripture, or a ‘sin against the holy spirit’ is simply balderdash !

    Secondly, the Holy Spirit can & does work through persons, that’s how the Spirit operates (read your Bible), so the Holy Spirit can & does work through church elders & leaders. To say otherwise, is to attempt to restrict the movement of the Holy Spirit, or to try to gag the Holy Spirit, which is impossible !

    What the Exclusive Brethren PBCC are doing is putting the words of a mere man in the flesh ( JN Darby) above the actual word of God spoken in the Holy Bible.

    The Exclusive Brethren are simply being very childish & petty by disputing over words and issues which we are warned not to do by the Holy Bible.

    1 Timothy 6 says –

    3 If any one teach differently, and do not accede to sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the teaching which [is] according to piety, he is puffed up, knowing nothing, but sick about questions and disputes of words, out of which arise envy, strife, injurious words, evil suspicions, constant quarrellings of men corrupted in mind and destitute of the truth, holding gain to be [the end of] piety.

    These words from 1 Timothy 6 sum up the Exclusive Brethren’s characteristics & attitudes very succinctly

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  10. Stop trying to complicate the issue. Just put your faith in our beloved brother Mr Bruce (no silly garments) and he will lead you through.

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    1. Doesn't our belubbed blubber wear silk boxer shorts?? They're a bit silly, aren't they? Just asking on behalf of the young.

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  11. See poor Rev has been shot down again in flames....

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    1. Are you and me on the same planet? I cannot see how you arrive at your conclusion. Sense has once again trumped EB/PBCC spin and rhetoric. The Rev, if indeed it is he, has Scripturally enlightened the conversation. But then, do the EB/PBCC believe in The Bible anymore?

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  12. 18.51.....Shot down by whom and by what?

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