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Saturday, 8 November 2014

UBT select a potential wife books


http://cdn.ubtmarketing.com/UBT_Household/Database_with_Photos/14-04-028_Database_with_Photos_NA_v3.pdf


22 comments:

  1. So if I buy a set of these, can I find out where my PBCC sisters live? Would be better than giving my current home address to Garth Christie which is the only option the PBCC have offered me so far.

    Mark R Elliott

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  2. Wow! Fantastic Laurie! Now many of us will get to see our kids again!

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  3. Perhaps we should chip in and buy a set to share. Or ask our local library if we can borrow them. But I would guess the EB would not allow anyone who is not a current EB to view them.

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  4. John Hales told the brethren they were spending too much money of photo books, so the practice of printing regular updates stopped abruptly. That , of course, was until Bruce took over, and then the practice revived with a vengeance. Now he has taken it to a whole new business level, and UBT are printing these books in the guise of ready access to global business partners.

    To be eligible to order a photo book you must be registered with UBT, which requires a business name, business email address, and declaration of turnover, employee numbers, and locality. No chance for the individual PBCC to order a book, and certainly no non-members.

    No doubt businesses will claim the substantial fees as tax deductions, and UBT will treat the income generated as used for charitable purposes.

    Note that the localities are listed in alphabetical order, a clever marketing strategy so that members will need to order whole sets even if they only want to cover their own interchange or state. Obviously businesses in individual localities will be expected to order multiple sets, which will then be passed on to local households (who will have to pay for them), and eventually all bookshelves will have 31 photo books! Of course, these books will need regular updating, so more money for UBT!

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  5. Don't worry about that Anon 16:55. We know people who know people - thanks mainly due to the existence of this site.

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  6. Wow! Only $1050.00 for a photo book showing me what the rest of the trapped mugs look lie. Or 'contacts ' as they call them today. What happened to the special friendship legislation that they introduced some years ago. Several MOG's have warned the Peebs about developing friendships within the Brethren. Why? Because (there is the danger that ) friends talk. Friends might analyse. Surely this photo book windfall - could lead to people developing friendships. Or oogling other men's wives and daughters. Heaven's above! Their commercialisation is almost complete Bruce. This is one of the best windfalls you have devised yet. I might try to sell the idea to the Catholics. Image that book! But they aren't captives like you lot.

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  7. When it says 'order by May 2014' is that compulsory?

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  8. Good job you got a screen shot of these publications, Laurie. The link has already been disabled and in good old fashioned EB talk the whole thing will become 'yet another myth surrounding the Brethren'.

    Bit like Harry Trundletwerp of Hastings, East Sussex! Not forgetting his girlfriend.

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  9. 'select a potential wife books'
    Does every potential marriage still get referred to the top man, as has happened to Symington/hales/hales?

    What about the one Mediator, the Lord?
    Is this unwritten rule displacing Christ?
    Mike

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  10. Hello Mike I'm a peeb.

    What is this Lord thing?

    Who is Christ? Is he on Facebook?

    Brucelover

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    1. Brucelover

      When you say you are a peeb, do you mean a current member of the exclusive brethren?

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  11. This shows to me –

    The Plymouth Brethren Christian Church PBCC aka Exclusive Brethren and their “Business Division” UBT aka Universal Business Team is entirely linked

    These photo albums produced & sold by UBT are only for a captive market. They are only for the membership of the PBCC EB.

    The only photos to appear in these books will be those who are members of the PBCC EB. The PBCC EB is a private members club through family connections

    Photos of those relations / family members / extended family etc, who have left the PBCC EB group (ie been withdrawn from) will not appear in these books

    Other Churches have members lists in which only those who are members of that local church are listed, but there would be no need for photos or details of wider family relatives.

    The nature of central control from UBT, of knowing individual family details & families relations, including photos & images of children, from across the world where there are PBCC ‘localities’, is quiet sinister & very cultish

    Didn’t JN Darby warn against such a ‘corporate’ type of list, here is what he says – ““As to the danger of slipping into sectarianism, that is, making ourselves a body apart, I recognise it fully; but it has through mercy received a rude shock. The printed list of meetings tended to it, for evil slips in unintentionally, and for this reason I never would have anything to say to it”” Letters of J.N.D., Vol. III, page 62.

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  12. The PBCC/ Exclusive Brethren would no doubt argue that the purchase of these "global database photos is for "business purposes" and therefore a legitimate business expense. What have the photographs of family members got to do with business?
    Perhaps the HMRC and similar bodies in the Southern Hemisphere could ensure that EB Accountants and auditors are NOT allowed to claim the purchase of these books as a business expense. After all no business outside of the Exclusive Brethren is permitted to purchase them even if that business is a customer or supplier to the EB business.

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  13. I am concerned that the establishment of these photos and personal details, coupled with internet use, could lead to abuse. It is not considered good practise these days. I am surprised that an organisation, in which there have been proven and alleged cases of child abuse and illegal sexual activity, should condone such an arrangement.

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    1. Why are you surprised? I'm not surprised at all. I know these people.

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  14. It's questionable whether a church should be publishing members' details anywhere. Was every individual able to give written agreement under data protection law? It is simply another fleecing the flock operation.

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  15. You are right, Questioner. Churches are very careful about this and don't publish individuals' addresses and other details without their explicit permission.

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    1. Two thoughts.

      Do PBCC have any choice in this - don't they meekly comply with this and all sorts of weird stuff?

      Is the PBCC a church or a pseudo-church? Probably at best a cult.

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  16. I'd call it a commercial operation masquerading as a church in order to take advantage of the tax breaks offered to charity. It was a plan hatched in the 1960's by two Australian brothers to make money out of a congregation separated from normality by morally corrupt previous leader Big Jim Taylor.

    Anyone who has any doubts about this should read one of the few remaining copies of the late Aberdeen journalist Norman Adams, 'Goodbye, Beloved Brethren.
    Ask yourself why the Brethren bought up every copy they could find and burned them. It's because no legal challenge could be mounted against it.

    I have reason to believe he was finally paid off by the Brethren to prevent him re-printing. I recently picked up a copy from a dealer for £40.

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  17. There a number of so-called churches which appear to be primarily about making a few people rich. They all lack accountability and transparency. I refer to those groups led by Hagee, Hinn, Cain, Meyer, Cerillo, Parsley and quite a few others.

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  18. I think you and the EB could have saved their money! The book is accessible on-line.

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    1. Yes I know, it is also available at my local public library, but there is nothing like owning a piece of your own heritage, and nothing quite as convincing as putting a genuine hardback copy on the table in front of Garth Christie.

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