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Monday, 14 April 2014

The 'evil doctrine' of separation as practiced today by members of the Hales exclusive brethren aka Plymouth brethren Christian church




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  1. They dont mind serving BBQ lunch for all http://laurencemoffitt.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/the-doctrine-of-separation-as-practiced.html#comment-form

    Serving women dressed in slacks.Men dressed in shorts.Little doubt people wearing nose rings.People who were quite possibly busy shagging around involved in adultery and so on

    Yet they cannot care for their own daughter,in her home.Where obviously she will also be able to feel most comfortable

    So very sad.So horrid. So disgustingly shameful

    I wish to send my love to Anne . Can someone who knows her, please pass the message on that we care and are thinking of her

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  2. Also, of course, living in the parental house will come with strings attached; this will include pressure to rejoin the cult ( assuming that this isn't already conditional) Ann would have to eat separately, in the meantime, and her friends are unlikely to be allowed to visit. Another point is that the Exclusive Brethren (PBCC Ltd) are often quite ignorant of matters relating to health, care and empathy.

    Long term care for others doesn't generate publicity and photographs for the media and the PBCC Ltd cult website.

    Incidentally, with reference to the above comment, adultery is one of the many hidden sins within the PBCC movement.

    Best wishes to Ann and hope you make a great recovery!

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    1. Anonymous14 April 2014 09:22 .

      Empathy?

      Dead correct they don't seem to know the first thing about it. They would be against abortion.Yet will happily abort lives to manipulate people.Allowing untold suffering to take place

      And in the review.They lifted our hearts up.And we freely forgave them.Only to have the rug pulled out from under our feet.When they shut off contact again.

      imagine what this would have done to family members of the Jews.Had Hitler had the opportunity to do the same thing.Even if Jewish families would have been separated for but a few years.

      Some of us had waited half a lifetime.To see our families free. Only to have our hopes dashed

      Empathy ?

      You hit the nail right on the head.They know so little about empathy

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  3. We experienced exactly the same sentiment when we were still members of the Exclusive Brethren, as it was called until 2012. My wife was refused care in her own parent's home on the basis that others might perceive it as a holiday. At the time, it was very well known in the EB that my wife had been extremely ill, almost to the point of death, in intensive care. They were however quite happy for her mother to come and stay with us, because we didn't live near the sea!

    It was utter heartlessness, but it did make it very easy to leave. The old woman is still alive today, late 80's and continues to ignore her daughter, even though she has already lost two younger children. Where is the love? Where is the compassion? Where is the charity?

    Very best wishes Anne. I have an EB sister called Anne, not spoken to her since 1989. The silver anniversary approaches!

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  4. Don't want to interfere here.
    However, I would take any help offered Anne. Could well be a way to find lasting comfort and blessing and to make your peace with them. Make a move in the right direction. There are those here who make bitter and destructive comments, but then they have nothing better to do with their time. What a pity.

    Think of that mighty man of valour in the bible. He was commanded to go and plunge himself 7 times in the Jordan. He came out feeling quite different about that word he was given. Don't be too proud to reach out and take hold of a hand which is extended to you. We are in a time of amazing grace and grace is available to meet whatever suffering you are going through.
    I speak as someone of real experience who has gone through deep waters and loss, but one thing is for sure, we cannot occupy the rest of our lives blaming the brethren.

    Leonardo J Octavianus

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    1. LJO

      In the Bible, separation is spoken of both ways
      What are the two main scriptures you would quote on it (one each way)?

      Paul

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  5. Welcome back Leonardo, we missed you. You say 'we cannot occupy the rest of our lives blaming the brethren'. Well until we get an apology and compensation for the harm and detriment caused by Brethren doctrines as acknowledged by the Charity Commission, there can be no settlement. We are fighting for justice.


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    1. Yes, welcome back Leonardo! We obviously disagree diametrically about many things, but your contributions still have their value, at least to me, even though they arouse some people to a state of seething, simmering indignation or sometimes revulsion. While you have been away, we have been having a rather one-sided dialogue (if there is such a thing) from which we mostly learn only the things we already know.

      You have helped us to understand how Brethren think, and that is useful. Another thing you might usefully do here is examine the statements made by ex-Brethren and explain more exactly why you do not agree with them. We already know you do not agree, but it would be useful to know why.

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  6. I'm a mother, Anne, and nothing in the world would ever stop me responding lovingly and sensitively to any of my children's expressed needs.

    I wish you well in your present situation.

    Leonardo J Octavianus, you told me you were away until June this year, and it's quite likely that after such a long absence you'll be glad to be home again. I can absolutely understand that Anne wants to be in her own home at the moment - a familiar environment, with its established routines, duties and 'furniture' is more likely to be healing and sustaining than being away from home.

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    1. I don't think any mother would, Joan. Oh wait - unless they were members of the Exclusive Brethren or the Plymouth Brethren Cr-cr-cr-christian Church. That latter appellation is so hard to say.

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    2. How thoroughly distasteful and inappropriate Leonardo. Have you people no shame or conscience?

      Observer

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    3. The PBCC Ltd (Exclusive Brethren) enforcers and apologists have little shame, conscience, empathy, sensitivity, flexibility or, indeed, any other refined human emotion.

      Illuminator

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  7. Hello Leonardo........ I know that you are shy about answering questions, but how do you address the hypocrisy of the so called "Rapid Relief Team" mixing with all kinds of "worldly" folk at a worldly event, as outlined by Anon 7:28, and the failure of Anne's people to offer her some care in her own home. How would you like to leave your home, and friends, at a time of illness.

    Most people are getting on with their lives and, as Anon 15.13 writes, seeking justice, at the same time. I think it's called "multi-tasking". Why is it that other commentators on this blog "have nothing better to do with their time" and yet your contributions are, apparently, so fruitful? Would you consider that a little arrogant?

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  8. The Plymouth Brethren Christian Church (Exclusive Brethren) claim that "Family is at the heart of everything we do" Yet here is evidence that supporting family is second to the system to that controls them!

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  9. LJO - what does this mean?

    "We are in a time of amazing grace and grace is available to meet whatever suffering you are going through."

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  10. Anne - I am so sorry to hear that your family trapped in the HEB are continuing to act in a cold and callous way towards you. Of course you don't want to leave your home and why should you? I recently had a friend pass away from cancer and it was such a wonderful thing to be a part of making her final days (in her own home) as comforting and loving as possible. I hope that you have lots of loving friends that can support you through your illness. xoxo

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  11. Yes, I was also thinking about this; sorry to press you, LJO, you've only been back a short time and already the questions are piling up. Why is this current time one of "amazing grace", rather than a previous time, for example.

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    1. Yes, is this something to do with 'Our brother, full of grace' which is so badly misquoted on occasion?

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    2. or is it "our brooce, full (of the money) of (the) Grace (Trust)

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  12. This situation must be incredibly distressing for both daughter and mother. It's haunting enough for those who read about it.

    Since the 1960s, the leaders of this group of Exclusive Brethren have taught their followers not to eat or drink with non-Brethren people. This is a directive that does not in any way conform to the New Testament model. It was devised by James Taylor Jnr and is sustained by Bruce D Hales who seems ignorant and uncaring about New Testament teaching concerning hospitality.

    My heart goes out to Anne and her mother. Anne's mother cannot even invite her daughter to share a family Easter meal with her at this difficult time. Such an attitude is unthinkable. What are Garth Christie and Bruce D Hales doing, at a time when they should be working hard to promote openness, fairness, honesty and compassion, that they allow Anne's situation to continue?

    Shame on these men!

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    1. Pride has nothing to do with this LJO! I will take all the help I can but it will be from those who love me unconditionally. All I can say to you is 'separation' is wrong and cruel.

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    2. Anne, your reply is probably meant to LJO at 14 April 2014 13:52

      My view is - the EB don't practice separation at all

      What they do practice is Discrimination
      They do this with arrogance, evil, and selfish aims

      Love to you Anne, be encouraged

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  13. Hear hear Anne! We're all behind you here (except for LJO of course) and will be giving all the support that is humanly and Christianly possible. So sorry your family has turned your back on you at this time, on the instructions of the leader of an evil and cruel cult.

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