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Wednesday, 23 April 2014

Going through Exclusive brethren Hell from today's TES

Update- Saturday 26th April 2014 -Mysteriously these posts disappeared from the TES site yesterday! 


Going through Exclusive Brethren Hell....wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences...

  • Hi , I have just sent a message to TES, although not sure how far it will get.; I am currently experiencing the hell one has to deal with when as a teacher you are found out to be suffering a mental health issue. This is the message I have forwarded about my situation to the TES, and would appreciate hearing your views / experiences of similar nature. Thanks.

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    Hi there,

    I would just like to inform you (thought I had but think there was a problem with sending message...) of my horrific ordeal as a teacher in a Plymouth (Exclusive) Brethren School recently; Having had a period off in hospital after the death of my boyfriend, my employers requested medical details about my condition. I was then quickly invited to a meeting which was hostile, and cold, and ever since then they have been sending me emails / letters telling me my contract will have to be terminated due to long term incapacity unless I agree to leave the school. I have spoken to a church member who has informed me that members believe mental illness to be a direct punishment by their God, and I being a Science teacher (especially a biologist) would be worthy of it. I have 6 years experience at the school, and all was well until they discovered my illness, and now it seems I have lost everything. People think I am misguided that I want my job back, but they do not understand. Only having worked in such a school can you understand that we teach the pupils, but see nothing of the trustees; and yes I would very much like my job back, as I have nothing to blame my pupils for. The school most certainly does not deserve to acheive any degree of state funding, and its charitable status should be challenged once again. Thank you for reading.

     

    Emma 

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  • Horrible!

    However, as a scientist and biologist I'd not want to set foot in a school that believes mental illness is a punishment from God and treats someone like this.

    Get onto your union asap with as much evidence as possible.

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  • You need to contact your union immediately. I can see the potential for unlawful actions by the school in a number of respects but time limits on such action are very short.  By all means PM me with more detailed information if I can help.  (Click on my username to read my profile.)

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  • I don't know much about the Exclusive Brethern ( off in a minute to look them up on the internet), I can assure you that the God of the Bible does not punish anyone whether scientist or not for mental health issues. God uses doctors to treat mental health issues. The people who have told you that God punishes people with mental health issues are wrong.

    What you now need is sound legal advice since that is what you will fight your battle with. As Bell suggested, call your union ASAP. Call the headquarters and say you need to speak to someone today  and someone at the highest level. If you are not well enough to phone yourself, get a family member or close friend to make the phone call. Do it today if at all possible.

    If you are still in contact with your doctor, keep them informed of what is happening, since you will still need a lot of support to get you through this. Only you can decide what is the best course of action in terms of leaving or staying, but you will need trained professionals to help you since you have suffered trauma on several levels: first your boyfriend's death and now this treatment from a school who should have supported you.

    In addition to your doctor, the Teacher Support Network will be able to offer support. Email the or phone them today and explain to them what is happened since they may be able to offer some assistance with advice such as dealing with unions and lawyers as well as emotional  support.

    If you need to just chat you can keep posting here or send anyone a personal message as there are many caring people on these forums who will help you all they can.

    pepper5


18 comments:

  1. They used not to be allowed to employ anyone who belong to a union. Has that changed?

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  2. I don't think that is allowed now, Helen. They don't need to be unionised, however. A union is still a good idea as they know employment rights.

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  3. There are more comments on the TES community messages, on this issue, if you click on the above link.

    Illuminator

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  4. Brethren individually, including some of the leaders, have said some pretty ridiculous things about mental illness in the past, but it is not clear whether they still hold to the dangerous views of past leaders.

    In the Subject Index to the ministry of BDH, under the heading of “HEALTH -- affliction of the mind” we have this quotation from Vol. 55 page 242: “nervous breakdown; I'd like to tell you that, that you're not allowed to have one.”

    There is no more context given, but the statement taken seriously would be so unacceptable that I hope it was intended as a joke.

    In the Pocket White Book P472 page 22 (Sydney, 23 September 2012) there is this:
    We’ve got to keep out of the hands of the medical people, we want to keep out of the mental hospitals. That right, John? We don't want to go to the mental hospitals, do we? Don't have to, you know.

    BDH might have meant that we just need to keep sane, but Jim Taylor promoted more explicitly dangerous views, including opposition to any use of psychiatrists. I have also heard of more recent cases of psychologically disturbed Brethren who were prevented from consulting psychologists. Here are a couple of extracts from Jim Taylor’s ministry.

    Ministry of J. Taylor Jr. Vol. 31, pages 320-321 (Hamilton, Ontario? 22 May 1964)
    J.T.Jr. . . . So we want to be careful what we turn to, especially when we have sickness of mind. That is the most serious sickness; there is nothing as serious as that. Then you want to be very careful how you approach it, because God has His own rights in men.
    T.L.S. You would object to the use of a psychiatrist?
    J.T.Jr. Oh! Very strongly.
    E.F. Some assert that where there is sickness of mind there is self-will behind it.
    J.T.Jr. It may be, if it is so! Some can assert anything they like.

    Ministry of J. Taylor Jr. Vol. 95, pages 26-27 (St Catharines, Canada, 15 September 1967)
    B.A.W. You have mentioned that, in matters of mental illness, there may be self-will involved in it.
    J.T.Jr. Very often there is. There is a root of things that remains; the person has not really been pious, and therefore the thing has succeeded. Where there is piety in a person that may be affected, the enemy will be weakened in it, because the enemy is in that thing anyway.
    G.D.M. There has been a tendency to resort to psychiatrists again in this area. Would you still feel that that would not be right?
    J.T.Jr. I do not think it would be right. Resort to God. You go to a doctor for his advice, which is what he is for, but he may say, ‘I am a body doctor,’ so he sends you to a mind specialist. The mind in a peculiar way has to do with God; so I do not think that should be our turn at all; we should go to God.

    Jim Taylor also thought that illness of any sort was the result of sin, but not necessarily the sin of the person who was ill.

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  5. Contac Victoria Willson of Levenes employment. She has recent experience of successfully representing teachers abused by the Brethren. She has yet to fail and an initial consultation is free her number is 02071487852. She is also a very nice person!

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  6. Thanks Anon 17.51....I have taken the liberty of posting this contact on the TES Community blog. I think it is likely to be useful.

    Illuminator

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  7. Now it would appear the link here has been lost here and, unless I am mistaken, the substantial thread supporting the contributor has also disappeared from the TES Community site. Why should this be; has there been intimidation, I wonder?

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  8. I think there has - i am in contact with the teacher but because I would prefer that the HEB do not know this I am signing in with a pseudonym on here.

    -Cogitationes

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  9. I have also directed her here in case she had not found it already

    -Cogitationes

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  10. Thank you so much.....I am so glad to have found the original post still exists here....a place which I didnt even realise existed! I have re-noted those to contact, and you have re-affirmed everything I have been hearing re discrimination due to mental illness. Thanks again for the above.

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  11. Glad to see that the thread is up and running on the TES Community site.

    Illuminator

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  12. community.tes.co.uk/tes_workplace_dilemmas/f/96/p/693985/8451507.aspx#8451507

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  13. I am so stressed and confused, my fault in a way, been up all night, wondering what on earth is wrong with me. Spoken to some random people about it and I dont even know now whether I do have an illness, as people have told me you normally dont know.....when you have a mental illness. So why did they lock me up in that place for so long last year? Surely if I dont have one the brethren dont even have their own grounds to discriminate against me? How do I find out? Ive stopped taking some of my tablets as I dont like sleeping, and ive been trying to avoid the community mental health team as im so ashamed of myself. But I feel like a freak. Ive had to make more and more deeper cuts into my leg, I know nobody wants to read gory details, but everything is freaking me out. I dont want anybody to see me at all, when i go everyday to collect my medication I have to cover my entire head so people wont see me, I feel so afraid of everybody its pathetic. And I feel like I created the whole mess and its all my fault. I tried to die on thurs and fri night unsucessfully obviously, but I really dont feel like existing. Sorry to put all this on your blog.

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  14. Hello to anyone there.....especially to any associated with publishing this helpful blog. Greetings from America.

    Would like to chat with witnesses from AUS and UK regarding Ex Brethren cult practices and domination/harrassment of teachers from their schools as well as the flow of public money from AUS/NZ/UK schools to the coffers of the American school system called "Sterling Education". www.sterlnged.org

    Many may not yet be aware that this sect is washing Australian tax grant money through 35 campuses in America while abusing American employees and teachers. Child abuse rampant, gender and religious discrimination, severe civil rights violations against teachers while claiming "not for profit" status that is for "public good" even as schools operate as closed private entities.

    No teacher union help in the States, as unions here are only for public schools in a few states. So this needs to be battled out in court.

    EB recently kicked the wrong hornet's nest.

    Tremendous lawsuit imminent. All blogs and sites originating in America have been forced to shut down from Brethren lawsuits......so help from across each pond would be appreciated.....

    a true historian would be great!

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    1. I am not sure if I can help, let me know your contact details.

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  15. No union help here either; and here the brethen prefer to avoid court at all costs. Everything is kept secretive, out of the media spotlight, would be interested to know more about the immiment lawsuit???

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  16. I have just "taken redundancy" after working for the Brethren. Their practices have stressed me so much and they expect all employees to accept the treatment at work that they dish out to their own members in their businesses. I can tell you that they know full well what depression is as MANY of their parents especially the women suffer from it. I have supported more than a few in my office over the last few years and given advice and a comforting ear. There have been some who are on medication and some who have been to hospital. I involved my union but they could not help much so ended up negotiating things myself. Anyone working for them should check their Contracts as we are treated very badly here if made redundant - don't expect any contractual redundancy, just statutory which is not much.
    I cannot be recognised so am entering an anonymous name but would love to share experiences if it is possible.
    Anon

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