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Tuesday, 4 February 2014

Preston Down Trust decision was a not a 'climb-down', says Charity Commission

http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/media/591398/preston_down_trust_full_decision.pdf

From Third Sector this morning 4 February 2014 by Sam Burne James,

Paul Flynn, a Labour MP on the Public Administration Select Committee, says the regulator was 'cowardly' to allow the Plymouth Brethren congregation charitable status

Paul Flynn
Paul Flynn

The Charity Commission has rejected suggestions by Paul Flynn, the Labour MP for Newport West, that the decision to allow the Preston Down Trust charitable status was a "climb-down" and showed the regulator was "cowardly".

The trust, a Plymouth Brethren congregation based in Devon that adheres to a doctrine of separation, gained charity status in January after a lengthy legal battle and appeal process.

Flynn was sitting on the Public Administration Select Committee in Westminster, taking evidence this morning from Sam Younger, the regulator’s chief executive, and William Shawcross, its chair.

"Is the lesson of your climb-down that lobbying triumphs?" asked Flynn. "Is that the advice – that if you employ PR people, you employ legal people, the commission will climb down?"

Flynn also claimed that the regulator was cowardly.

In response, Younger said: "I don’t think this is a case of giving in, in any sense. We will turn down people again."

Shawcross said: "The Brethren were willing to change. Many of the Brethren’s opponents in the House have welcomed this decision. We came to a completely new decision on a completely new application and I’m actually rather proud of it."

Bernard Jenkin, Conservative MP for Harwich and North Essex and chair of the committee, questioned whether the public could trust that the Brethren were making meaningful changes.

Shawcross said: "It’s clear on paper that they are substantial and, if anyone has unhappy dealings with the Brethren in the coming months, we will take that very seriously."

Robert Halfon, the Conservative MP for Harlow, who had supported the Preston Down Trust’s application for charitable status, said he was grateful for the commission’s "morally just" decision and asked whether the Brethren would now be held to the same standard as other religious charities. 

Shawcross replied that they would be.

Click here for the link to the Third sector article; http://m.thirdsector.co.uk/article/1229891/preston-down-trust-decision-not-climb-down-says-charity-commission?bulletin=third_sector_daily_bulletin

22 comments:

  1. Shawcross said: "It’s clear on paper that they are substantial and, if anyone has unhappy dealings with the Brethren in the coming months, we will take that very seriously."

    Dear PBCC/Exclusive Brethren members,

    The quote above from Mr Shawcross is a salutatory warning, your conduct must change in line with the CC Report of Jan 2014.

    For example, the physical separation and division between families simply because certain ones are not part of the brethren, can not continue.

    As of today, 4th Feb 2014, this physical separation and division still goes on, so evidence will be placed before the Charity Commission

    If you continue to resist change, continue to delay implementing the decisions of the CC (which you have signed up to), continue to inflict detriment and harm, continue in self delusion that you have won and nothing needs to change, then you will be found in “Breach of Trust” which can result in being called back to Tribunal !

    The Charity Commission has put the PBCC/Exclusive Brethren on notice, if you ignore that notice, then there are clearly consequences

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  2. I would have been a lot happier with the decision if they ensured that the appropriate changes had happened before they granted them charitable status. We all know that the Hales brethren will do their best of weasel out of doing any change whatsoever especially if they think the eyes are off of them.

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  3. The PBCC website says:

    The Charity Commission concluded that PDT was a body established for a purpose set out in the Charities Act 2006 and had met the ‘public benefit requirement. The Commission reached that decision having conducted exhaustive enquiries following the original application made by PDT’s trustees on 18 February 2009.

    William Shawcross says:

    It’s clear on paper that they are substantial and, if anyone has unhappy dealings with the Brethren in the coming months, we will take that very seriously.

    Bernard Jenkin, Conservative MP for Harwich and North Essex and chair of the committee, questioned whether the public could trust that the Brethren were making meaningful changes.

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  4. Bernard Jenkin obviously knows more about the PBCC than many misled MP's like Peter (your wish is my command Bone and Robert Halfon. We who know them best know exactly how untrustworthy they are. Deceitful and dishonest sums them up

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    1. Anon Feb.4th; is absolutely right, and time with close (Very close ) scrutiny will show this to be true. They have over 100 years of history of what they call "Spoiling The Egyptians". They even brag about it. It's a big,big joke to them. The Commission has made a very big mistake, and time will prove me right. / Cassandra

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  5. "Can the leopard change it's spots" Over sixty years experience od the Exclusive Brethren says it can't, and they won't. The loss of C/Status was a massive financial blow to them, and they will promise almost anything to regain that lost status. I hope the Commission will scrutinise their future activities very closely. They have a policy of "Spoiling the Egyptians". A phrase taken from the EXODUS, and by God they will !

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  6. Well said Paul Flynn MP!
    I live with the damage the EB have inflicted each and every day. I know of many others who do the same.
    This is not a Christian organisation as they have and still do cause misery to many families around the world.
    The authorities, including Social Services, HMRC, Department for Education and Police, should be thoroughly investigating this group - they are inherent liars, fraudsters and abusers.
    How can the cost of ensuring a correct decision by taking this to a tribunal hearing possibly be an issue? The denial of charitable status to this evil and corrupt organisation would potentially save the country millions!

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    1. Very well said Anonymous

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    2. Strong words - are you really saying that every member is an inherent liar, fraudster and abuser?? Have you got proof of that? Why do you not report them all to the Police if this is the case?

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  7. The issue for the CC was not about whether or not the EB was a Christian Organisation.

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  8. I like Paul Flynn very much and have a high regard for him - he is, after all, a real socialist like me. But I'm not sure I agree with him here. The EB never lobbied the CC: they lobbied MPs for a change in the law to bring back automatic charitable status for churches (this had been removed in the 2006 Act and a public benefit requirement was now included). In the event, one MP who supported the EB, Peter Bone, promoted an EDM for this very purpose. But he withdrew it at the beginning of the year. The CC went on to produce one of the most excoriating indictments of an alleged church ever produced. The trick now is whether we report breaches to the CC or let the EB get away with it.

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  9. The PBCC lobbied all parliamentarians, both members of the House of Commons and the House of Lords. They were a real nuisance in Central Lobby and elsewhere around the parliamentary buildings. It was behaviour that made many Members and Lords and Ladies suspicious of the PBCC and lent credibility to the accounts of former PBCC members and others.

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  10. The Brethren will change!! Get outa here! Wasn't it Bruce Hales' own father in law who said in an interview not long back. You. Will. Not. Alter. Us.

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  11. Horse feathers springs to mind whenever his name pops up.
    I think Paul Flynn is rotten to the core.
    Not at all surprised the cc reject his slur.

    Mrs Penny Wise

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  12. I was told today by a UK Brethren member:
    "The recent Guildford meetings were all about making Paul the centre of our lives and bolstering up you-know-who."

    Do the CC understand that they have just re-granted a personality cult charitable status? Did they even REALISE when they looked at HEB ministry during the leaderships of JHS, JSH & BDH, that the word 'Paul' is almost invariably used as a code-name for HEB leaders past and present?

    In my opinion the Hales Excl Breth can only be categorised as a personality cult. God, Jesus, the Bible and their few charitable activities to non-members are being used by them purely as a front for the immoral money-making activities of Bruce D Hales and his cohorts. The Brethren are a psychologicaly abusive cult, and this abuse extends to their members as well as non-members and former members. I am in agreement with Paul Flynn MP; deeply disappointed at the way the CC have chosen to handle the PDT application.

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  13. I agree with everything Mr Flynn said except the comment that the CC surrendered to lobbying.

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  14. Mr Flynn said he welcomed the decision so long as it could be monitored.

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    1. Hmm, he also said the decision was cowardly! Anyway, we're at where we're at now, thanks to the CC. The last seven words of what you quote from Mr Flynn, are the crunch I think.

      I completely appreciate your sterling effort John re trying to compile breaches; I just don't have much faith in the CC's ability/will to navigate their way through the ongoing tide of HEB trickery & falsity that continues unabated... and becomes a deluge on the odd occasion when they DO feel questioned or threatened.

      It is IMMENSELY difficult for anyone who has not been an EB member to see through their deceptiveness. A few people like Joan do manage it, after intensive study and whatever limited genuine (unscripted) interaction they might manage with Brethren over the years. Certainly I would credit some CC employees with now having a bit of a grasp of what makes the EB tick, but I am not sure they anywhere near understand how deceitful, malicious & money-hungry the leaders of the group are, nor how much power they wield over members of the flock.

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  15. Mr Flynn has flown away after conceding defeat

    Mr Egon Maface

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  16. Wotalota Tosh has flown away after being exposed as PBCC North Lancashire business owner Peter Trevvett.

    Mr D Seatfull

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    1. Where are the authentic writings of Peter Trevvett that you have compared Tosh’s writings with? Unless I see these I would feel uneasy about blaming PT for the comments we have seen here.

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  17. 'Granny' is keeping a lower than usual profile in the PBCC blog too.

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