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Friday, 10 January 2014

They don't like it up'em

Click on the link below to open the document on the new shiny PBCC website

http://www.plymouthbrethrenchristianchurch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Final-press-release-statement-on-PBCC-letterhead.pdf


15 comments:

  1. If the Peebs in the UK are not given a full copy of the agreement how can they be expected to comply? If Peter Bone's 10 minute bill gets approved will they have to? Does anyone know the status of this bill - this is probably where the Peebs are concentrating their next push.

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  2. They remain in denial. At least in the public domain they do. 1 year's time should be very interesting if nothing has changed, and reading the above letter, it suggest nothing will. Perhaps we've got to wait 'till the Lord turns a corner' before they can make changes from the inside out.

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  3. I'd really like all members of this group of Exclusive Brethren to attend to what's written in the Deed of Variation Schedule 2 ‘Faith in Practice’ section of the Charity Commission's document (page 50):


    "5)  Holy Scripture commands us to be good neighbours to others, and deal with all other people (including former Brethren) openly, honestly and fairly ... "

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    1. A warning about not being unfair to non-EB occurs again in point 7 on p.51:

      "No action should be taken in any way to treat vindictively, maliciously or unfairly persons whether within or outside the community,"

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  4. I suggest we send copies of the Deed of Variation to all the HEB we know.

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  5. My view is that the brethren would have no problem with the Deed of Variation - they are so far removed from reality that they genuinely believe they already comply. I'm sure they think that they are good neighbours and deal with people openly, honestly etc.
    They certainly thought they did all that when I was in.

    Ricardo

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  6. I'm guessing that technically the conditions only apply to congregations that use property owned by said trust ...... ?

    Sam

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  7. Surely in denying the rank and file PBCC members retails of this settlement, they are already in breach of the agreement? How can our lost PBCC family members ever expect to view us in a different light, when all they know is that the game's over and they've 'won'?

    Harry Trundletwerp

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  8. Give the EB a week or two for the implications to spread around and sink in.

    Here is an example of just one of many provisions in the Deed of Variation.

    The importance of maintaining relationships when a person leaves is recognised – “Reasonable steps should also be taken in these cases (consistent with and subject to any legal requirements applying to the persons involved and the human rights of the persons involved) to allow the continuation of family relationships where a family member has left the community, including providing access to family members, in particular children.”

    That is the really big one, in my opinion. If the Brethren are not informed about that, and consequently do not comply with it, the Charity Commission will certainly be informed, and that alone could be enough put the future of HEBism at risk.

    It is hard to see how the leaders could conceal this from their followers, because they Deed of Variation must be approved by the Congregation in a unanimous resolution. Will they expect the Preston Down congregation to approve unanimously of a resolution that they have not read and obey principles that they have never heard of?

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  9. 'Will they expect the Preston Down congregation to approve unanimously of a resolution that they have not read and obey principles that they have never heard of? '

    Can a leopard change it's spots?

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  10. I didn't think the PBCC leaders are democratic enough to consult Congregations. They do as they are told, including doing six bunny hops every time they get out of bed, if so instructed.

    #notapublicbenefit

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    1. That is true. EB leaders have consistently denounced the whole principle of democracy, whether in Church or in State, but legally the Trust Deed can only be altered with unanimous agreement of a meeting of the congregation. Such a meeting might look like democracy, but it is more likely to be slavish obedience disguised as democracy. The Brethren have a long tradition of achieving unanimity, not by democracy, but by kicking out anyone who disagrees.

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    2. Note the PDT Trust Deed stipulates a quorum of only two! So finding a couple of toady brothers to 'congregate' in a comfy little unanimous meeting to agree with BDH and/or the trustees at any given time, shouldn't be hard. Bizarre!

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  11. I received three threatening legal letters from these PBCC bastards during the negotiation period with the Charity Commission. Historic? Nope.

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  12. The Press Statement is a not particularly subtle attempt to mislead. If you didn't know otherwise; "afer a thorough explanation of our Christian beliefs and practices, ..." and "to provide a public statement of our core doctrine and faith in practice..." would suggest that the Charities Commission didn't really understand the brethren, but after a bit of clarification all was resolved.
    I believe the real problem is that the CC did understand PBCC practices all too well, but that the brethren didn't (and don't) understand the requirements for charitable status. Given that they don't even acknowledge that they (not the CC) are the problem, I'm not confident that they will actually make the changes they have signed up to.
    As they say - watch this space.

    By the way; has anyone else noticed that the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church is not officially a church? Looking up their Registered Company Number at Companies House provides the information that it was incorporated on 10/08/2012 and the nuture of its business is: "Retail sale of books in specialised stores" - so now you know what those fortified, windowless, warehouses are!

    Ricardo

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