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Wednesday, 20 November 2013

Bedfordshire pie day and "reaching out to the community for over 50 years"




22 comments:

  1. Reaching out to the community for 50 years? That takes us back to 1963. That would be about the time my mother, in following the teaching of the then leader James Taylor Jnr, contacted her mother and told her that she would never see her again unless she joined the brethren.

    Reaching out to and separating from are two concepts which cannot simultaneously be followed.

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  2. The dishonesty is appalling. It seems to me the only think they've reached out for in the last 50 years is money!

    Then thinking with snow,hail, sleet and rain today who wants to sit outdoors at a BBQ, free or otherwise. Especially when metres away there's a perfectly servicable and presumably warm building deemed fit for public worship at least!

    Last of all. Who wants a Bible in arcane English? There are so many high quality translations in modern English? Verily I saith unto thee who wanteth the Thee's and Thou's these days? Do they really think God speaks Shakespear's English?

    They call this 'testimony'? It's an embarrasment to all concerned.

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  3. I thought they 'hated' the world?

    “What we're trying to bring is the young people through now to see that the world is, the whole principles of the world have to be scorned and disdained and just hated, really, hated.

    We have to get a hatred, an utter hatred of the world. Unless you've come to a hatred of the world you're likely to be sucked in by it, and seduced by it . You must hate the world, every feature of the world, at every point you hate it”
    Extract from
    B.D. Hales White Book 161
    Reading Sydney March 2006

    So which should we go with? hatred or reaching out to the community?

    Matthew

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  4. No pets permitted...Offenders will be excommunicated from the partaking of a nasty, greasy burger and their pets will be destroyed.

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  5. I'm shocked that this group of Exclusive Brethren should highlight an assertion that they've been 'reaching out to the community for over fifty years'. That has certainly not been my experience. For twenty-five years until 2010 I had neighbours who were part of this group of Exclusive Brethren. They insisted on and lived by separation.

    I often find I'm troubled by the way these Brethren express themselves. To the ordinary reader their sentence about reaching out implies that they have acted like all mainstream churches - and other 'open' local organisations - over the past half century. That isn't the case, as everyone knows.

    On December 3rd 2012, Garth Christie and John Gadsden, English and Australian senior elders in this group of Exclusive Brethren, issued a document in which they directed how non-Brethren people should be welcomed to their services. At that time they were thinking that the "Charity Commission may well put us to the test".

    They continued in their fifth paragraph, "We don't want to look surprised or if we are panicky, it should be carried off seamlessly as if this is carried out every day of the week."

    I could only make of that that Garth Christie and John Gadsden were advising their fellow brethren to pretend that as a matter of course, every day of the week, it was their usual practice to welcome and include anyone who turned up for a service. That doesn't fit in with the evidence, nor with their reference to not being surprised or panicky, and it seemed to me dishonest. What do others think?

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    1. They are totally dishonest. The callous deception to ensure they get 'their' money is heart wrenching. Could you send Laurie a scan of this document so he can publish it for all to see?

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    2. Totally agree with your comments, Joan.

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  6. By calling their meeting rooms "Gospel Halls" is a deliberate attempt at obfuscation to make these places appear as the real Plymouth Brethren (a.k.a. Open Brethren). This is causing concern among those known as Plymouth Brethren, though many do not like taking any special name for themselves.

    That with 50 years of outreach is practicing deceit.

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  7. "The sole purpose of the event is to distribute gospel literature..."

    Sole purpose, meaning only purpose. Nothing to do with trying to convince the Charity Commission of anything.

    Dreadful that the Hales Exclusive Brethren are now using Bibles, of all things, to try to pull the charitable wool. The HEB group is riddled with dishonesty.

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  8. reaching out for 50 years? Their own website which is different but was current up until last year states...

    Separation
    The Exclusive Brethren practice separation from evil, recognising this as God's principle of unity. They shun the conduits of evil communications: television, the radio, and the Internet. Their charter is 2 Timothy 2:19 "The Lord knows those that are his; and, Let every one who names the name of the Lord withdraw from iniquity."

    As a matter of conscience, their social activities and links are reserved exclusively for those with whom they celebrate the Lord's Supper. This sacred remembrance of the Lord Jesus and His death is the core of their Christian fellowship, and the inspiration to live a life apart from worldly pleasures and pursuits; a precious heritage passed down the generations.

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  9. Ever read Animal Farm? I read it back in 1961 and felt it was about the EB back then. How much more so now. I wonder if they now deny that that previous website ever existed. It is of course still visible! Unlike the wall in Animal Farm you can't ever really delete stuff off the internet
    Jill

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  10. Free bible and free BBQ lunch?

    Tell you what, you can keep your bible and lunch. I just want my family back please.

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  11. I can recall my uncle (not in the EB fellowship_ being told in 1964 that he could no longer attend the meetings. Up to that time he used to come to the gospel and occasionally the bible readings. He was very upset and sad to say died a year later feeling deserted by his family. Reaching out for 50 years. That is a bare faced untruth.
    Could we have hard evidence from the EB of the reaching out they refer to between 1964 and 2012

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  12. There was a brief 'reaching out' period around 1980 and guess what, that was when the Charity Commission were having a look at them too. Since then we had confessions acknowledging how wrong it was to shake hands with non-HEB. Was it reaching out but not touching for fear of contamination?

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  13. These Exclusive Brethren seem to be intent on repackaging themselves in order to maintain their charitable status.

    I'm very concerned about the reputational damage that has been done and is being done to the Plymouth Brethren 'brand' in all this.

    Read Bruce D Hales's published ministry; watch Garth Christie's and Bruce Hazell's appearance before the Public Administration Select Committee in the UK Parliament in October last year; consider published statements like the one being discussed in this thread; review the self-congratulatory tone of the PBCC web site; take account of the patriarchal control of this group; think about their failure to initiate an audit of the abuse meted out to so many since the teachings of James Taylor Jnr became foundational to their way of life; and never forget that there may be people held against their will in the PBCC because they know that if they leave the sect they will forfeit their family life and friendships.

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    1. In the light of much publicity, maybe the news of the Freedom Charity will seep through to those trapped in the HEB cult.

      Tel 0845 607 0133
      Web http://www.freedomcharity.org.uk/donate-to-freedom

      Plus many other willing helps for potential escapees.

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    2. The senior policeman who is fronting this dreadful alleged case of 'slavery' in Lambeth, London, has referred to the "invisible handcuffs" that it's alleged have restrained and imprisoned three women for thirty years.

      There is a sense in which James Taylor Jnr and his successors as leaders of this group of Exclusive Brethren (including Bruce D Hales) have placed invisible handcuffs on their rank and file members. People who live close to these Exclusive Brethren, some MPs and government agencies have no idea of the imprisoning constraints placed upon these Brethren people.

      I think particularly of the way Exclusive Brethren women are 'handcuffed'. They have limitations placed on their educational opportunities; they are not allowed careers outside their homes or Brethren businesses; they are not allowed to vote; they have to dress, and style their hair, in a certain way; they are not permitted to share a cup of tea with a non-Brethren neighbour; they may not attend a service in a non-Brethren church; they are required to sit in services apart from their husbands; they have no teaching or leadership role in the assembly.

      Just consider how society would feel if women in the Church of England were 'handcuffed' in those ways. It would rightly be a public scandal.

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    3. A UK broadsheet newspaper has this headline on page 1 today, "Police study cult motive in 'slave' inquiry."

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  14. "f someone has suffered due to failure of administration it's not
    that persons responsibility to bring it up . . . " . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BDH: 8:164

    That suggests that the EB should be pro-active in sorting out their mess.

    We're waiting.

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  15. "f someone has suffered due to failure of administration it's not
    that persons responsibility to bring it up . . . " . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BDH: 8:164

    That's a real old Exclusive Brethren chestnut, that one. 'Can't run your own case', 'the Lord will make the issue', 'we'll do the thinking....'.etc etc. Other people refer to this as a kangaroo court.

    My mother died waiting for 'the Lord to make the issue'. I'm not giving them that much time, 32 years was quite sufficient.

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  16. Has Dunstable been well ribboned for today?

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  17. Reaching out for 50 years? That is a very damned lie.

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