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Monday, 28 October 2013

From Garth Christie this morning.

Last sentence from correspondence received today from G.A.C


"As you will be aware it is not part of brethren doctrine to do anything cruel or spiteful."

 

15 comments:

  1. ha ha ha what!!!!!!

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  2. Was that a pig I just saw flying past?
    Matthew

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  3. Oh, you mean like gate-crashing an ex-members funeral, helping yourselves to the coffin from the back of an undertakers car and then shooing grieving family members and the deceased's close friends away from the graveside?

    Garth Christie, be very ashamed of your lies.

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  4. Dear Garth, you sir, are a liar!

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  5. I'm wondering what heading Gordon Pollard's dishonest framing of the late Cyril Elliott comes under, if it wasn't spiteful and/or cruel? He needed rid of his accountant so that he could break EB directives and create a limited company, which in those days was not acceptable within their cult religion.

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  6. I'm beginning to think that the focus needs to be on the management of this group of Exclusive Brethren. Their tactic so often seems to be delay, deny and defend, and that isn't helpful to anyone. There must be a better way forward.

    It would make sense to set up an Audit and a Dialogue.

    A thorough and properly conducted Audit of the abuse many people have suffered at the hands of members of this group of Exclusive Brethren is urgently needed. The Church of England is doing this and I'm sure that John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York, or a member of his staff, would be happy to meet Garth and discuss the merits of such a conciliatory approach.

    Dialogue - I recall that Daniel Hales, the brother of Bruce D Hales, told the media (I think in 2008) that the Brethren "have dialogue" with other churches. It would only take a slight extension of that practice to set aside a day for a Dialogue meeting with people in the UK who have concerns about the Brethren. There are plenty of thoughtful people who have tried to negotiate with Garth Christie on an individual basis, but who have failed to make an impact. A properly conducted and well and independently chaired session, or two, attended by concerned people and Garth and the Brethren's senior management team might help to begin to make some progress in addressing people's legitimate concerns.

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    1. Joan,

      Thanks for your comments.

      You say, "A thorough and properly conducted Audit of the abuse many people have suffered at the hands of members of this group of Exclusive Brethren is urgently needed."

      But how do we 'make it happen'? The Brethren have been asked to do this but have not done so. I would suggest that if the apologies they have verbalised were genuine, then they would want to conduct an audit and redress the loss.

      Eddie

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  7. Could it be that Garth actually believes his last comment?

    I doubt it, but I am also very aware of the power of cult indoctrination.

    Or is it that he is very well aware that the Exclusive Brethren practices are very cruel and spiteful, but has decided to word it such that it's not 'the doctrine' that is cruel, but the actions of members who follow 'the doctrine' that is cruel and spiteful? We know how slippery the Exclusive Brethren can be with words. They, sadly, are not well-known for their honesty and integrity, quite the opposite.

    I can most certainly say that I have witnessed first hand the Exclusive Brethren being very cruel indeed. Let's not forget those for who the cruelty was too much.

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    1. Good comment. Regarding use of words, I wonder whether the PBCC Ltd put anything formal in writing, without legal scrutiny. I would think, though, banning teenagers from family interaction and/or tossing them out onto the street was both cruel and spiteful. Also, has there not been cruelty and spite towards older members over the years? Those, for instance, who found it difficult to conform to the latest "doctrine", such as the consumption of whisky, and other practises?

      Illuminator

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  8. Eddie - thanks.

    I didn't know that the Brethren had already been asked to conduct an Audit of abuse. I can't understand why they haven't responded positively to such a sensible suggestion.

    It puts me in mind of King Josiah of Judah who in the Old Testament is recorded as a righteous king, but he failed to listen to an outsider (Pharoah Necho) and died as a consequence. The Hebrew Chronicler stated unequivocally that Josiah "did not listen to the words of Necho from the mouth of God". (2 Chronicles 35:20-27)

    I'd hope that the Brethren would be attentive to outsiders and what they say.

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    1. Joan,

      I have asked the brethren for dialogue about fixing up what has gone wrong and working out how to prevent similar disasters from happening again in the future.

      Perhaps you could instigate something, be a neutral go-between, and negotiate corrective action and settlements on behalf of the victims???

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    2. Dear Anonymous 30 October 2013 20:26,

      I'm willing to work hard to discuss matters with members of this group of Exclusive Brethren, but I'm not a lawyer and issues around settlements would need expert opinion and involvement.

      For the past couple of years or so I've been in communication with Garth Christie. I was able to visit him and his wife in their home in Leeds last October to discuss the Brethren's false interpretation of Deuteronomy 22:5. Garth was requiring me to wear a dress if I attended a Brethren meeting and I showed him the meaning of the Hebrew of that verse - it simply decrees that a woman shouldn't add the accoutrements of a strong man or warrior to her outfit. Garth accepted what the Hebrew says and told me I could wear trousers if I attended their meeting. Sadly, I saw that in December, only a few weeks after it had seemed he'd been willing to engage with the original Hebrew of Deuteronomy, I saw that he and John Gadsden had issued a directive that although women visitors wearing trousers could be admitted to the meeting on their first visit, if they came again they should be required to conform to the Brethren's female dress code. So much for my effectiveness as a teacher of biblical Hebrew!

      Nevertheless, I have retained contact with Garth Christie. Our common ground ought to be the Bible and I've tried to build on that; but he's now ignoring me, which is perhaps surprising when the Brethren are anxious to be seen to be acting for the public benefit.

      I won't give up my personal attempts to have a positive and pertinent dialogue with members of this group of Exclusive Brethren, but corrective action and settlements require a particular kind of professional input.

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  9. Eddie
    Who asked the Exclusive Brethren to conduct an audit into the abuse suffered at their hands? When was this request made and do you know to whom?

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  10. When I was a member of the PBCC/HEB I was unaware of just how cruel and abusive certain of their actions were towards anyone who had dared to question their doctrine and actions.

    Once I left the group and was no longer indoctrinated by their cultist thinking I was horrified that I could ever think that many of their actions were acceptable. How could I have accepted such things as throwing my 15 year old brother out of the house with no means of support? His crime according to the PBCC/HEB - rebellion because he did not want to attend the 6 AM breaking of bread.

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  11. I also asked on the PBCC/Exclusive Brethren facebook page, why they did not have a child protection policy and reporting procedure in their church, such as most other churches now do, to prevent if possible the abuse of children especially, but also other vulnerable people in their group, and they removed my comment and banned me from their page! This I believe shows the extent of their commitment to be seen as a reasonable, caring, Christian church, committed to protecting the innocents in their midst. I would love to see them sit down and do an audit and dialogue with those hurt and abused by them, and are proud to be currently a member of the Anglican Church who are doing this themselves. :)

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